In this conversation, Adesoji Iginla and Milton Allimadi discuss the withdrawal of US troops from Chad, the dispute between Morocco and Algeria over Western Sahara, and the importance of African youth taking charge of their countries' futures.
They highlight the need for African countries to assert their independence and control their own resources, rather than relying on foreign powers. They also emphasize the importance of unity and solidarity among African nations in order to overcome neocolonialism and imperialism.
In this conversation, Milton Allimadi and Adesoji Iginla discuss various topics including the US involvement in Angola, the crisis in Sudan, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the demand for reparations in South Africa.
They highlight the need for a comprehensive approach to addressing these issues, including addressing the root causes of conflicts, promoting justice and equality, and ensuring economic empowerment for marginalized communities.
They also emphasized the importance of challenging the narratives propagated by the Western media and promoting critical thinking.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview
02:09 US Troop Withdrawal from Chad
09:04 The Morocco-Algeria Dispute
32:12 Unity and Solidarity Among African Nations
34:38 Controlling Resources for Economic Development
35:17 US Involvement in Angola
39:04 The Crisis in Sudan
41:00 The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
56:35 Demand for Reparations in South Africa
58:27 Challenging Western Media Narratives
In this conversation, Adesoji Iginla and Milton Allimadi discuss the withdrawal of US troops from Chad, the dispute between Morocco and Algeria over Western Sahara, and the importance of African youth taking charge of their countries' futures.
They highlight the need for African countries to assert their independence and control their own resources, rather than relying on foreign powers. They also emphasize the importance of unity and solidarity among African nations in order to overcome neocolonialism and imperialism.
In this conversation, Milton Allimadi and Adesoji Iginla discuss various topics including the US involvement in Angola, the crisis in Sudan, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the demand for reparations in South Africa.
They highlight the need for a comprehensive approach to addressing these issues, including addressing the root causes of conflicts, promoting justice and equality, and ensuring economic empowerment for marginalized communities.
They also emphasized the importance of challenging the narratives propagated by the Western media and promoting critical thinking.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview
02:09 US Troop Withdrawal from Chad
09:04 The Morocco-Algeria Dispute
32:12 Unity and Solidarity Among African Nations
34:38 Controlling Resources for Economic Development
35:17 US Involvement in Angola
39:04 The Crisis in Sudan
41:00 The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
56:35 Demand for Reparations in South Africa
58:27 Challenging Western Media Narratives
Adesoji Iginla (00:01.326)
Yes, good evening. Welcome back to Adesoggi Speaks. And as usual, we're looking through the Western media to give an Afrocentric take on what has transpired in said platforms. My name is Adesoggi Iginla. And with me, as usual, is our Explorer -in -Chief, editor of Black Star News.
Dr. Milton Alimadi.
Milton Allimadi (00:32.605)
One day doctor. Thank you. Thank you for the, you know, I really enjoy having the opportunity of catching up every week, man. There's so much going on. So it's always a pleasure to be on your show.
Adesoji Iginla (00:34.254)
Hahaha! Okay.
Adesoji Iginla (00:44.654)
Yes. No, I mean, pleasure is ours. Pleasure is ours. Because like you said, a lot happens in the media, not least what is going on in Gaza. And being that it is South Africa from an apartheid state that bring that to the fore, it's important that that be seen to a logical conclusion. And hopefully, common sense is brought to bear.
because I think for some reason we seem to have lost our grasp of humanity. But hopefully that is not the end game because it is already a human catastrophe. And so, yeah.
Milton Allimadi (01:33.341)
Yeah, and it's escalating out of bounds.
Adesoji Iginla (01:39.79)
We're speaking about the African continent and the first story today is one that takes us to central Africa. We're talking about Chad and Chad has been in the news lately, not least because it is giving the United States its matching orders. But I want us to look at this from
an agency point of view, like you normally would say. The news is taken from the New York Times, one of the oldest voices of the imperialist West. And I want you to look at the headline first and foremost. The headline says, US to withdraw troops from Chad, dealing another blow to African policy. What is your initial take with regards to that?
Milton Allimadi (02:34.493)
Right. Well, the headline is misleading. What the headlines were meant to say was that US withdraw troops from Chad, dealing another blow to US Africa policy. Not even US hyphen Africa, but another blow to the United States agenda on Africa. It would be much more accurate.
Adesoji Iginla (02:59.95)
I mean, I was actually going to read making Chad the active state here and not the passive one. Because if you look at it, it's almost like it's a unilateral decision to withdraw the troops as opposed to Chad asking them to lead. But maybe if we go through the piece itself.
Milton Allimadi (03:30.013)
No, but no, you're right. You're right. We need to delve in that for a minute. The more accurate headline would be, Chad expels U .S. troops.
Adesoji Iginla (03:30.222)
and
Adesoji Iginla (03:35.438)
Mm -hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (03:39.406)
Yeah, and so then we can then go into why that is the case. And we should go in further and then second. And so the lower we go, it says the Pentagon will withdraw dozens of special operation forces from Chad in the next few days.
second major blow in a week to the American security and counterterrorism policy in a volatile swath of West and Central Africa. Now, if one were to look at it, what is the issue in Central Africa? I know Sudan is an issue, but Sudan, if you're speaking Western Sudan, I can understand.
But why would you then withdraw the troops? What could be the driving motive behind this?
Milton Allimadi (04:42.397)
Well, I mean, they've been kicked out, so they have no choice. But I think a more interesting thing would be, I have a new, you read it, so I think our viewers should also read it carefully. The Pentagon, who would draw dozens of special operations forces from Chad in the next few days, the second major blow in a week to American security and counterterrorism policy.
Adesoji Iginla (04:45.134)
No.
Adesoji Iginla (04:55.758)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (05:11.709)
All right, so the question is that you're in Africa, you have Chad, they're talking about a volatile swath of West and Central Africa, but they're admitting.
that neocolonialism exists, imperialism exists. Because they're telling you quite clearly in their own words.
second major blow in a week to American security and counterterrorism policy. We're in Africa, but think about that carefully.
Adesoji Iginla (05:49.262)
All the way in Africa.
Milton Allimadi (05:56.541)
You know?
I mean, it's amazing.
What are some of the things that emanate from the United States that really destroys Africa? It's the World Bank and the IMF, right? Can you ever read a headline that African countries are now dismantling some operation they had that existed somewhere in the United States to address the damage that the World Bank and IMF are causing?
Adesoji Iginla (06:13.134)
Yes, correct. Those two instruments.
Adesoji Iginla (06:32.974)
That would be interesting. That would be interesting. Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (06:33.309)
on Africa's economy. Because that would be the equivalent. That would be the equivalent. Because realistically speaking, people know we can never deploy African troops on US soil. The way things exist right now, concerned the balance of power, that's not possible or realistic.
Adesoji Iginla (06:46.99)
Mm -hmm.
Milton Allimadi (06:56.541)
But what's the equivalent that we actually have a policy, a structure, an organization, whether it's think tanks, whether it's African academics, who are working diligently?
to mitigate or even eliminate the damage that the World Bank and IMF have been inflicting and continue to inflict in Africa. But even that doesn't happen. We don't even have something like that to counter the World Bank and IMF.
Adesoji Iginla (07:29.838)
Because you don't have the agency.
Milton Allimadi (07:34.589)
Absolutely. And that is the key word, the lack of agency in determining our own affairs and our own destiny. And look at it. I mean, the New York Times, look at the arrogance, look at the level of our emasculation and defeat that the New York Times sees nothing wrong with that headline that they wrote. They see nothing wrong.
Adesoji Iginla (07:36.238)
That's the key word.
Milton Allimadi (08:03.997)
with this passage that we just read right now. Imperialism is normalized. It is so normalized because the threat of us countering imperialism does not even cross their mind. When in fact, what is going on right now in West Africa is actually Africa countering imperialism and neocolonism. You know?
Adesoji Iginla (08:30.509)
Choo choo choo.
And also, if you go further down, it says both countries want terms that better favor their interests. And Alissé, the decision to withdraw from Niger is final. I guess so. But the US officials said they hope to resume talks on security corporations after elections in Chad on May the 6th. Now.
So you're saying the withdrawal is based on the notion that somebody feels your very presence undermines their credibility as regards their ...
Milton Allimadi (09:15.325)
Absolutely.
Absolutely, because the Chadian dictator.
is seeing what is happening around him, right? Idris Debi's son, Mahamat Debi, he's seeing what's happening in Niger, in Burkina, in Mali. He's seeing how unpopular French and US
Adesoji Iginla (09:32.398)
Hmm.
Yep. Yep.
Adesoji Iginla (09:40.43)
Yep.
Milton Allimadi (09:58.077)
military presence in those countries have become, right? So he is feeling the heat and he wants to take that off the table heading toward elections, which in any case are going to be rigged. We know that, right? But he still feels so sensitive about that issue that, and here's the thing, they're admitting to you.
Adesoji Iginla (10:00.462)
Yep. Yep.
Adesoji Iginla (10:11.342)
I don't know.
Adesoji Iginla (10:21.806)
Day one.
You
Milton Allimadi (10:28.285)
in this article, and US officials are saying it, but of course you have to know how to read. Because some people read even what's before their eyes. They don't see it. They don't connect their dots. They're telling you both countries want terms that better favor their interests. Analysts say. The decision to withdraw from Niger is final. That one we know. Niger said pack, leave. That's it.
Adesoji Iginla (10:45.454)
The interest, yep, yep, yep.
Adesoji Iginla (10:53.774)
I'll leave, yep.
Milton Allimadi (10:55.997)
So now they're implying that in this case there's some difference. But US officials said they hoped to resume talks on security cooperation after elections in Chad on May 6th. In other words, this withdrawal is for public relations purposes. But obviously you have to know the background dynamics, what's going on in other parts of West Africa.
Adesoji Iginla (11:16.75)
Only. That's it.
Milton Allimadi (11:24.349)
Otherwise, you will not understand these coded terms. Right?
Adesoji Iginla (11:31.694)
me.
Milton Allimadi (11:31.901)
So they go to the next paragraph, but still, if you're not familiar, you will not make the connection. They're saying the departure of US military advisors in both countries comes as, as we just discussed right now, Niger, as well as Mali, and Burkina Faso is turning away from years of cooperation with the United States and forming partnerships with Russia, who are at least exploring closer security ties with Moscow.
Adesoji Iginla (11:46.19)
Mali and Bukkina Fathir.
Milton Allimadi (12:02.365)
All right? They told you that, but they're still not telling you explicitly that because of these things, you know, Debbie Junior in charge needs to create that fictitious firewall. You know, it's right there. But you have to really understand what is going on in Africa, the U .S. agenda in Africa.
Adesoji Iginla (12:07.534)
Why?
Adesoji Iginla (12:12.846)
Mm -hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (12:19.79)
You
Adesoji Iginla (12:26.446)
Mmm.
Milton Allimadi (12:30.621)
then only then can you understand how to read and understand what is being written.
Adesoji Iginla (12:37.87)
And you know, it's, which is one of the reasons why this program is, it should be encouraged and we implore people to subscribe, share, and invite your friends to come and view what we do here and support the channel. And what I find very,
interesting is in the in this in this paragraph here it says the impending departure of the US military advisors they're green berets so they're not military advisors they're soldiers you know from a sprawling desert nation at the crossroads of the continent was prompted by a letter from the Chadian government this month
Milton Allimadi (13:23.677)
Alright.
Adesoji Iginla (13:33.55)
that the United States saw as threatening to end an important security agreement with Washington. Now.
Why is it so important? Why is it so pivotal that you be there in that particular spot? Like you said earlier, they've lost the foothold in Niger.
Milton Allimadi (13:57.117)
Correct.
Adesoji Iginla (13:59.086)
they don't have a foothold in... I mean, can you see how we even normalize it now? That we're saying they don't have a foothold. It doesn't even come as something odd that we are normalizing the presence of foreign military troops. I mean, the AU Charter says...
Milton Allimadi (14:08.285)
Right.
Milton Allimadi (14:15.677)
Right.
Adesoji Iginla (14:29.07)
No one should interfere with the territorial integrity of member states. Nkrumah once said that the mere presence of foreign troops on your soil is indicative of the fact that your independence is nothing but paper independence. And you've alluded to that earlier with regards to the two instruments of imperialism, the World Bank and the IMF.
Milton Allimadi (14:49.821)
Yep.
Milton Allimadi (14:58.877)
Yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (14:59.086)
So one begins to wonder if you once you have those three Trinity, what's it called? Once you have the Trinity in itself, the World Bank, the IMF, and of course, military. Exactly. Once you have them in place, what else do you have in terms of not just agency, the mere fact that the presence of those troops.
Milton Allimadi (15:12.029)
WTO, WTO, your friends, right?
Adesoji Iginla (15:29.902)
is a danger not just to your citizens but also to the countries nearby.
Milton Allimadi (15:40.189)
No, I mean, the best description is, I think we discussed in the first show, the title of, I was trying to look up what year it was first published. Not Yet Uhuru, Odinga Odinga's book. I think it was published in 1964. It's a classic. It's as relevant today as when he published it 60 years ago, right? The late Odinga Odinga, the father of Raila Odinga. You know, this to me is the best demonstration. And I hope that...
our young people are angered by this. You know, how many African countries are deploying their soldiers in the United States or deploying their soldiers in Europe? Think about that. Why should we allow any African Miss Ruler to deploy United States or French or British troops on African soil? It's completely unacceptable if you are not capable to provide security.
for our country. Why should you be ruling that country? Think about that. That's the obvious question. You can't protect our security. You can't feed us, right? We have food shortages. You can't create jobs. We have unemployment going up to 60 % in some cases. So why should you be ruling us? You know, these are the kind of things that young people should ask and they should work toward ending it. Organize, agitate.
Adesoji Iginla (16:49.262)
Choo choo.
Adesoji Iginla (17:09.23)
Hmm. Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (17:11.165)
do whatever you can to bring about better leadership, because it is your life at the end of the day that is being squandered and destroyed, you see?
Adesoji Iginla (17:19.47)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you've heard it. It's imperative that in order to assert your independence, your territory must be free of foreign troops. And I mean.
Milton Allimadi (17:35.261)
Absolutely.
Milton Allimadi (17:40.093)
It's the basic thing. Otherwise, why are you calling yourself independent? Right? What were the elements that imposed colonial rule on Africa? It was just not the colonial government. The colonial governor was in charge of the armed forces and the police forces. Correct? The officers were Europeans. Africans were the ones recruited to do the dirty footwork, the legwork. Right?
Adesoji Iginla (18:06.894)
Yes.
Milton Allimadi (18:08.797)
So now you have a situation where you've invited them back as quote unquote advisors. Or sometimes they deploy even a thousand is what they had in Niger, right? US had a thousand Niger. The French had a few thousand, you know, with full garrisons there. So what is your, in fact,
Adesoji Iginla (18:21.294)
And he's up, yeah.
Milton Allimadi (18:32.797)
That to me is one of the elements that soldiers can use as rationale when they're removing these governments. We are supposed to be the national army. So why is there deployment of French troops here or American troops or British troops? That in itself is enough. And the misrula would have no argument. How would you argue with that? If your officers got rid of you.
And they said, we are supposed to be the national army. And yet we have 2 ,000 French troops deployed in our country. That is the reason why we took action. You, as the now -deposed ruler, how do you counter that? You have nothing.
Adesoji Iginla (19:17.358)
You could say you were seeking international alliances. We've seen it done before. Part of the pact of continual colonization that the French got its former colonies to sign up to was the stationing of troops.
Milton Allimadi (19:25.821)
You
Milton Allimadi (19:43.101)
Right.
current.
Adesoji Iginla (19:46.99)
on their territory. And so the longer that goes on, then it becomes the norm. But unfortunately, like you said, for the leaders that is, the youths are now much more aware, much more conversant, and accepting the agency that the leaders had gotten in the 60s. It's so...
Milton Allimadi (19:48.349)
Correct.
Milton Allimadi (20:12.221)
Right, exactly. Right.
Adesoji Iginla (20:14.19)
It's only taking the present generation now to assert that agency to say, I mean, what's going on?
Milton Allimadi (20:22.717)
Right, right, and they must not stop at just the expulsion of the troops. That is only a symbolic, you know, a symbolic part of what needs to be done. What we need to do is transform our economies, and we can only transform our economies by controlling our resources, number one.
And then once you have that, you can use your resources to develop, to industrialize, sort of your own agricultural policy. As Ankara said, produce what you consume and consume what you produce. Number one, number two, he said, the African market for Africa. Right? So you pursue these two strategies. Our young people have to become much more demanding. I think anything we do,
Adesoji Iginla (20:57.294)
consume what you produce. Yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (21:04.206)
Yep.
Milton Allimadi (21:13.949)
Any knowledge we share, we are sharing it to empower our young people. In some circles, they call it so -called radicalizing. No, we are not radicalizing anybody. We are lifting their consciousness to know that they have value. They must not tolerate misrule in any African country.
Adesoji Iginla (21:26.222)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (21:34.606)
True, true, true, true. And Nkrumah in his independent speech did say the liberation of one without the others is empty liberation. I'm paraphrasing now. So, yeah. So. Mm -hmm.
Milton Allimadi (21:49.725)
Right. Right. No, he's right.
What we are seeing, any African leader who is not signed on to a United African Federation or United States of Africa, whatever you call that entity, any leader who has not signed on to the agenda of borderless Africa, any leader who has not signed on to a joint economic agenda, that leader is an enemy of Africa. And we should work to have...
less leaders like that and more leaders like Thomas Sankara. No, really, we have no choice. If we don't agitate, advocate, and push hard, we're going to leave our younger generation in a much more desperate condition than even what exists today.
Adesoji Iginla (22:29.262)
Yes, yes, yes.
Adesoji Iginla (22:41.742)
Mm. Mm. Mm. Yes, yes, yes. And on that note, it gives us a very important segue to our next story, which is a subject that is very close to the heart of Sankara. And we are going to Algeria. Or better. I see. So.
Milton Allimadi (23:04.573)
Yes.
Adesoji Iginla (23:10.798)
The story here is Morocco and Algeria shared dispute leads to second Confederation of African Football Cup match cancellation. For the second straight week, an African Confederation Cup between Renaissance and Beccane, and that's the Moroccan side, an Algerian USM or J was cancelled in a dispute over a map.
on the Moroccan t -shirts. As you can see that's the map there. Now that map is you want to you want to start.
Milton Allimadi (23:45.917)
Right.
Milton Allimadi (23:51.773)
Absolutely. I mean, this is something that I feel very strongly about because I went to Algeria in, I believe it was 2010, and there was a meeting of progressive elements from all over the world who came there to meet, to show solidarity with Polisario and the people of what was formerly called Western Sahara.
but the people there call it the Sahrawi Democratic Republic. And I was able to also travel to the border area where many of the refugees live, right adjacent to the parks that they call the liberated zone that are controlled by Polisario. Polisario, of course, is the liberation army of the Sahrawi Democratic Republic. So I met with them. I met with the commanders.
Adesoji Iginla (24:24.846)
We, yeah, Republic, yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (24:34.702)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (24:52.157)
I met with, they have their own government in exile. I met with the ministers. I met with what they have, the structure of sort of like a legislative assembly in exile. And I was proud to find out that many of them were women, a very large proportion were women in very powerful positions, including in the armed resistance as well. You know.
Adesoji Iginla (25:20.686)
Okay.
Milton Allimadi (25:21.501)
some of the soldiers and commanders were women. It was a very enlightening visit, the meetings itself in Algiers, the capital, and then traveling to the countryside where the Sahrawi are confined. And there, I mean, they operate their own hospitals with the assistance of Cuban doctors, you know, met Cuban doctors there helping them. They operate their own schools. In other words, they're practicing.
how to run the Saharawe Democratic Republic once they should take power in what is now occupied by Morocco. You know, the United Nations and Morocco, in fact, as well, Morocco had agreed to this, a referendum. You know, this is decades ago. But Morocco kept trying, finding ways to postpone it.
Adesoji Iginla (26:09.678)
referendum, yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (26:19.534)
second vent. Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (26:20.957)
And in the meantime, the last few decades, it's really shipped people from Morocco physically to the Sahrawi Democratic Republic, of course, to change the balance of the population ethnically, to make it way in favor of Morocco, so that a referendum, of course, would not be the same as if it had been held.
decades ago, right, when this proposal was first made. So in fact, one of the insistence that the Sarawi had been insisting was that only those who were registered at the time and lived in the Sarawi Democratic Republic and their immediate descendants should be eligible to vote. And of course, Morocco.
Adesoji Iginla (26:51.822)
decades back, yep.
Milton Allimadi (27:18.749)
would not agree to that agreement. And that's why you have that stalemate. And it's lasted for a long time. So now it's creating a lot of tension because when they see that the door is closed toward a peaceful resolution of this matter, then of course they believe that the only incentive left to them is armed struggle. And then as you know, when Donald Trump was president, he recognized Morocco's occupation.
Adesoji Iginla (27:27.95)
Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (27:34.382)
resolution yeah
Milton Allimadi (27:48.541)
of that path, he basically recognized that as part of Morocco. And that's why you see it drawn on the map. That was the issue of dispute there. They put it there like a small thing, but it's not a small thing. When it comes, it would be like, it would be like Israel trying to go and play in a soccer match with a national team. And then the map of Israel would be drawn to include what should be.
Adesoji Iginla (27:51.598)
of Moroccan territory.
Adesoji Iginla (27:56.91)
Hmm.
Mm.
Adesoji Iginla (28:16.814)
Gaza and West Bank.
Milton Allimadi (28:18.461)
Absolutely, Palestine. That would be the equivalence. And of course, you know that would not be a small issue, correct? So that is why this was not a small issue either, because Algeria has been supporting the liberation of the Sahrawi Democratic Republic for decades. It actually is no secret that it, way in the past, it even intervened on their behalf. It trained their fighters and it currently...
Adesoji Iginla (28:24.59)
Correct, correct.
Milton Allimadi (28:47.645)
provides them sanctuary in Algeria. So that is the situation that I'm in. And let me just ask one more point, which I think is very important. Of course, as our viewers should know, the Polisario and the Sarawi are recognized by the African Union. So Sarawi Democratic Republic is recognized as an independent African country by the African Union.
Adesoji Iginla (28:49.646)
Yep. Yes. Yes. Yes. Southwest. Gone.
Adesoji Iginla (29:12.014)
Yes. On that point, the recognition, that was in 1984. And it was the insistence of the Bokinabe delegation led by the late Captain Tomo Sankara, who said it is important that they be recognized because a voice without their summit without the Sahara Whees is almost...
Milton Allimadi (29:29.949)
Excellent.
Milton Allimadi (29:39.037)
Right.
Adesoji Iginla (29:41.838)
like saying that part of Africa does not exist.
Milton Allimadi (29:45.181)
Right, so now you're saying that I want people to reflect on what you just said.
Adesoji Iginla (29:48.622)
Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (29:51.549)
This man was in leadership from 83 to 87, then imperialism assassinated him. But look at the gifts and lessons he left us. You just listed one example of the many gifts that he left us. I mean, the possibilities are endless in Africa. So when our young people see the current objective,
Adesoji Iginla (29:56.206)
87.
Milton Allimadi (30:20.989)
situation, they can become disillusioned, they become discouraged. And that, of course, is one factor in motivating a young person to, you know, go through South America, die in the jungles. They are trying to make it to the United States or drown in the Mediterranean or be kidnapped somewhere in Libya, you know, sold into sexual slavery.
Adesoji Iginla (30:39.374)
the United States.
Adesoji Iginla (30:43.438)
Trying to make it into Europe.
Milton Allimadi (30:50.461)
in Libya or held ransom until their family war has money. And then feeling a sense of accomplishment. Think about this, surviving sexual slavery and all that. And then thinking a sense of accomplishment once they reach the shores of the Mediterranean. They feel elation. Elation to have the opportunity.
Adesoji Iginla (31:13.582)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (31:19.901)
to possibly drown or make it to Europe. It cannot get much more mind -boggling than that because they lack knowledge, right? And you can't blame them. They're not going to get the knowledge from anywhere else except people who meet on platforms like this to tell them and instruct them that no.
Adesoji Iginla (31:23.662)
Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (31:27.31)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (31:42.813)
You have a better chance of changing things within your country than making it across the Mediterranean, than surviving sexual enslavement in Libya. Organize them. See what young people did in Senegal. That's what you need to do in your countries. Get rid of these useless, corrupt misrulers and let young people start running the country. They can do it.
Adesoji Iginla (32:03.278)
Choo choo choo choo.
Milton Allimadi (32:12.605)
In fact, you know, they like giving the impression that only these ancient men in their 70s and 80s can run a country. That's completely nonsense because we know that the ones who led Africa to independence were in their 30s and 40s. All of them, except a few like Kenyatta, you know, but most of them.
Whether it was Judith Nyerere, Milton Obote, Mwadibo Keita, Kwame Nkrumah, Kenneth Kaunda, all these were people in the 30s and 40s. So that lie has already been disproven a long time ago, you see? So now we need our young people to have that confidence that they can do it. You're better off improving your life.
Adesoji Iginla (32:47.598)
Quamecronum, Civiolimpio, Civiolimpio.
Adesoji Iginla (32:59.534)
Mmm. Mmm.
Milton Allimadi (33:09.405)
by getting rid of useless leaders, then risking your life going to... In any case, why should you do that? Even if you get to Europe, what awaits you in Europe, right? You're going to be cleaning the streets. You're going to be cleaning toilets. You're going to be working in kitchens. You're going to be working on those plantations in Southern Europe, in Italy. We understand why you do that because things are so desperate. You want money to feed your family.
Adesoji Iginla (33:15.15)
I mean, you.
Adesoji Iginla (33:32.174)
It's Italy.
Milton Allimadi (33:39.709)
and your relatives. One thing I give them credit, they're not going there to loiter on the streets. No. So their heart is in the right place. They want to improve the condition of their family. But I say you can do it back home. We have the resources that Europe and North America and China and Japan needs. So if we have you, the youth, with a raised consciousness running those countries in 10, 15 years.
We'll be in a good space. Yes.
Adesoji Iginla (34:09.934)
you'll be on the right space. And speaking of legacies, you mentioned the legacy left by Captain Samosankara. This crisis with the Western Sahara is actually a crisis that was bequeathed to us by the Reagan administration. Can you imagine that? And why? The Reagan administration...
supported King Hassan of Morocco at that time by giving him weapons. In 1981, he was said to have received in excess of 200 million. Now, here is the thing.
Milton Allimadi (34:41.981)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (34:56.591)
about that that's 1981 dollars right yeah we are talking probably six to eight hundred million in today's dollars all right
Adesoji Iginla (34:59.822)
Exactly, exactly.
million exactly so what did that 200 million go to that 200 million went to was building a 2700 kilometer wall electrified called the berm b e r m a wall now that what does that wall do it doesn't split the sahara
Milton Allimadi (35:17.149)
Yes.
Electrified.
Adesoji Iginla (35:33.23)
into two, it cut it diagonally. So diagonally, it cuts it diagonally. And it was obviously the money wasn't, it wasn't altruistic. It also then went in order to prove the money went to providing a training base for the Unita rebels.
Now imagine you've destabilized a body of people. Now you're training another body of people within Morocco to go destabilize somewhere else within the African continent. And, you know, suffice to say, at some point, the idea was we are going to give you a referendum, which you've alluded to earlier.
But now that has been circumvented by what Mr. Trump did. And Mr. Trump has a funny way of giving away stuff that don't quite belong to the Americans. Remember he gave away East Jerusalem. I mean, I don't know what is, he's a very charitable chappie, he seems to be, you know.
Milton Allimadi (36:44.669)
Alright.
Milton Allimadi (36:58.525)
Yeah, I mean, yeah, at that time, you know, the Clark Amendment had, you know, restricted U .S. subversive work, you know, after the assassination, the coups that the U .S. were involved in overseas, assassination of Thames, assassination of Lumumba, and all that, that covered with the Clark Amendment. Senator Clark.
Adesoji Iginla (37:18.158)
Mm -hmm.
Milton Allimadi (37:27.485)
in the 1970s, which prohibited US direct support for groups like UNITA, which was led by Jonas Savimbi. So the US went through third parties like Morocco to funnel the aid, the weapons, and the money and the training. That's why Morocco was doing that. I just looked it up, actually, and my guess was almost on target. 200 million.
Adesoji Iginla (37:51.438)
Bye.
Milton Allimadi (37:55.133)
In 1980 is worth 758 million today. So that was almost a billion dollars that they got right It's very unfortunate because By the end of the day the Sahara Democratic Republic is going to be independent Nothing will stop that they're so dedicated that one of the things I wanted to mention highly highly educated
Adesoji Iginla (37:55.534)
Mm.
Adesoji Iginla (38:03.598)
Wow.
Adesoji Iginla (38:23.726)
educated. Yeah. Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (38:24.413)
And once again, thanks initially Cuba and then at some point Spain also, you know, Spain has had some interesting governments over the years, like socialist governments. So they were giving a lot of scholarships. So they have a highly educated leadership, leadership and population in general. Education is, you know, all of them dream to be trained in military skills and to get a degree.
Adesoji Iginla (38:41.966)
population.
Milton Allimadi (38:54.589)
and to liberate their country. So when you have that type of determination, nothing is going to stop them from eventually winning their independence.
Adesoji Iginla (39:04.302)
the independence. Yeah, so speaking of independence, we have another problem brewing. And that's, we for that we go to the threat of large scale massacre in Sudan, especially the fall, according to the Voice of America.
Milton Allimadi (39:26.557)
Yes.
Adesoji Iginla (39:33.326)
A senior US official warned Monday that more than 2 million people in El Fasha in Sudan's not -da -for region are under imminent threat of a large -scale massacre from a parliamentary group attack and urged the international community to pressure the warning parties to de -escalate. There are already credible reports that the RSF, the Rapid Support Force and its allied militias
have raised multiple villages west of El -Fasha. Now, why is El -Fasha very important? El -Fasha is actually the hub where the UN distributes aid from. And if it's surrounded and attacked, that means the livelihood, the survival of so many people is in jeopardy.
Milton Allimadi (40:16.797)
Correct.
Milton Allimadi (40:32.605)
I mean, I don't even know what I can say about the Sudan situation. I can't really say much. Obviously, it's very frustrating. There are so many elements involved in it. You know, it would take us like hours just to deconstruct the ethnicity issue involved, the religious issue involved, the...
Adesoji Iginla (40:37.038)
Mmm.
Adesoji Iginla (40:53.262)
intricacies.
Milton Allimadi (41:00.413)
Arab, African, divide, all on its face, things that should be trivial are weaponized by the political and military class, the elite, the political and military class, right? The differences that should be celebrated in any African setting.
Adesoji Iginla (41:04.59)
situation. Yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (41:12.366)
Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (41:22.766)
Mm -hmm.
Milton Allimadi (41:28.957)
instead is used to maximize polarization. Right? You say I'm with you and we are against them. So I'm Arab, you're African. Let's go after them. They're the enemy. I'm Christian, you're Muslim. Oh, let's go after them. They're the enemy. I'm brown skinned, I'm much more richly melanated. So that should be the enemy.
Adesoji Iginla (41:34.254)
Mm.
Milton Allimadi (41:58.045)
all the worst kind of possible scenarios are playing themselves out in Sudan. And the saddest thing is that, you know, why are we talking about the UN and not the African Union? Think about that. You know, you want any other evidence of the failure of the African Union? You know, why is the UN, you know, being mentioned significant?
Adesoji Iginla (42:00.334)
possible.
Adesoji Iginla (42:14.99)
Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (42:23.758)
This is it. Yeah. Taken delete. Yeah, taken delete. Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (42:27.965)
Why is the US ambassador to the United Nations the one who's being quoted significantly in this article? You know, but this is how we have to present it. All these elements and the challenges that we are facing should anger our youth in the sense that we can do a lot better and we are not doing a lot better.
Adesoji Iginla (42:31.79)
taking.
Milton Allimadi (42:57.757)
you know, force the elder generation, the ones who are ruling or misruling Africa now, to earn your friendship. Right now, they're not your friends, they're your enemy, and you treat them accordingly. You know? It's amazing. It's mind -blowing. What can you say? What can you say? Tens of thousands of people have already been killed in this conflict, which is pitting two generals.
Adesoji Iginla (43:10.51)
Mm.
Milton Allimadi (43:27.613)
One who is the commander of the National Army and one is the commander of the RSF, right? Right. In fact, it's an army in itself because what happened was before Omar al -Bashir was overthrown, the general who had ruled the country for decades, he had created two competing armies, the National Army and the RSF.
Adesoji Iginla (43:33.838)
militia.
Milton Allimadi (43:58.109)
thinking that, okay, if I have two armies, then I won't be overthrown because they would counterbalance each other. Now these two armies are tearing down the entire country. And so the saddest thing is this, and these are the other things, the only thing that we like to add. As you know, the people of Sudan are highly educated, highly organized. They had...
Adesoji Iginla (44:04.846)
Yep, yep, yep.
Do that.
Adesoji Iginla (44:22.382)
educated.
Milton Allimadi (44:25.981)
They're the only one of the few African countries where the civilian population has overthrown military regimes several times because their unions are very well organized, the workers, the professions like the doctors, the lawyers, the accountants, you know. So they would transmit, they would plan, and they would protest, they would strike. They would put so much pressure that, think about it, when a military regime is brought down by civilians.
They've been able to do that. And they were on the verge of doing it again. On the eve of their success, the two commanders of the rival armies hijacked their destiny and decided to sort their own differences at the expense of the entire country. It's a tragedy, truly tragedy.
Adesoji Iginla (45:05.678)
Hmm.
Obstige them. Yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (45:18.99)
I'm going to add a plot twist to this and indulge me. If you read this quote, it says, the UN Security Council met behind closed doors to discuss the situation Monday and were briefed by UN political and humanitarian officials. A crisis of epic proportion is brewing and to avoid further death, destruction, suffering,
Five things need to happen immediately. Thomas Greenfield said, first, the RSF must end its siege and build up of military forces in El Fasher and swear off any attack on the cities or party to the conflict must take oddest steps to de -escalate. She also called for the protection of civilians and respect for international law, for external factors to stop providing the combatants with weapons and for safe and un -
in impeded aid access. She also demanded that the parties return to the negotiating table. Because this conflict will not be solved on the battlefield, it will be solved at the negotiating table. Reading that, does that bear any resemblance to any other conflict?
Milton Allimadi (46:39.229)
Well, it's obvious that, you know, the world, we live in two worlds, right? A set of rules that are for the rest of the world, and then there's a set of rules which applies, which does not apply rather to the state of Israel. Absolutely. You know, so you can make these, you know, serious.
Adesoji Iginla (46:48.27)
Hmm. Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (46:54.542)
Mm.
Adesoji Iginla (47:01.102)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (47:07.997)
threatening statements in the Security Council when it comes to Sudan. You will never make a statement like that. You can't even, in fact, not only are you not making a statement, your army.
Adesoji Iginla (47:09.774)
Hmm.
Milton Allimadi (47:23.037)
an armed force that is actually committing genocide against, you know, Palestinians. You're sending them weapons on the one hand, you, the same ambassador, has vetoed multiple ceasefire attempts in the past, right? So you can't speak from, you know, two sides of the mouth and be taken seriously. You know, it's hypocrisy at its most cross, you know, level. But...
Adesoji Iginla (47:27.886)
Mm -hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (47:45.966)
Seriously? Exactly.
Milton Allimadi (47:53.501)
One thing that will come out, and of course everything is tied in together. When we talk about Gaza, we talk about Palestine, Israel, we also talk about Africa, because all these things are connected, right? You know, Africa already inserted itself in this conflict in a major way when the Republic of South Africa intervened at the International Court of Justice. So Africa is very much involved in that conflict as well.
Adesoji Iginla (48:01.102)
Mm.
Milton Allimadi (48:24.189)
So yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm glad you exposed that analogy. And that, but this, go ahead.
Adesoji Iginla (48:30.862)
I mean it... gone. No, gone, gone.
Milton Allimadi (48:34.941)
Now I'm saying the saddest thing is that...
Milton Allimadi (48:40.189)
The political calculation, right? So obviously, what the Biden administration is saying is that if we appear to be too firm on Israel, it might cost us the vote. You know, we would lose the Jewish constituents in the United States, right? And then individual members of Congress.
Adesoji Iginla (49:00.942)
okay okay
Milton Allimadi (49:09.821)
who are facing re -election also fear that a Jewish lobby organization would sponsor candidates against them. So their internal political dynamics is holding them back from actually doing the right thing and vigorously using the clout of the United States to bring this conflict.
to an end. I mean, yes, 1 ,200 Israeli citizens were killed when Hamas invaded.
But what is acceptable retaliation then? What level of retaliation acceptable? Is it 10 times? Is it 20? Is it 30? Is it 50? Is it 100? Is that when you'll say, oh, no, now it's time to pursue peace? When, in fact, you are now radicalizing future generations as well.
Adesoji Iginla (49:56.366)
How do you justify tens of thousands?
Adesoji Iginla (50:12.558)
Now it's done. Yeah. Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (50:21.565)
And actually, I don't think you're making the state of Israel any safer by seeming to condone what is going on in Gaza right now. And that's why South Africa found a lot of support globally. They were attacking the foreign minister, the minister of international relations, rather. They were calling her. Yes.
Adesoji Iginla (50:44.11)
Yeah.
Not limpano. Panda.
Milton Allimadi (50:50.877)
all these racist attacks against her, threats against her life and all that. But it turns out she was ahead of the game, South Africa and Africa was ahead. Now look at this student protest that is ongoing in the United States and then nationally and then internationally. And I covered the protest. I went to Columbia.
which became like one of the early epicenters, because that is my school. That's where I studied journalism. And that helped because it was very difficult to get in, but I still have my ID because I went there and I was an adjunct. I'm an adjunct in the journalism department as well, so I was able to get in. And look at the way that that has now spread globally, meaning there's a whole segment of the global population.
Adesoji Iginla (51:20.302)
Oh, yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (51:33.166)
Oh.
Adesoji Iginla (51:39.086)
Okay, okay.
Milton Allimadi (51:49.885)
that wants, number one, peace and end to the war. Number two, they want a two -state solution, not to just be rhetoric, but to be implemented once and for all.
Adesoji Iginla (52:03.406)
Mm. Mm. Mm.
Milton Allimadi (52:06.909)
And I might say as a consequence of this conflict, things are not going to be the same. The European countries are now talking, in fact, a few of them, it's very symbolic, of course, of recognizing the Palestinian state, you see? That's how prepared they are to push that momentum and to make it happen this time. I don't think the United States is going to be in a position to keep the lid over this issue.
Adesoji Iginla (52:11.63)
Of course, of course. I mean,
Adesoji Iginla (52:23.982)
the state, yeah.
Adesoji Iginla (52:34.83)
No, I think, no, that's, that host has already bloated. Yeah. Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (52:39.293)
Right, because the longer it went, the longer it went, the more people saw the atrocities globally, right? The more determined the population in many of these countries started pressuring their own governments that not only peace, but after peace, Palestinian state.
Adesoji Iginla (52:48.046)
Mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (53:00.366)
This has to be done. And I would just like to say the thing about international geopolitics now is the tone of the conversation has changed to the point where the people will not accept maybe or not. They're very clear as to what needs to be done. No half measures, exactly.
Milton Allimadi (53:22.429)
Right.
Milton Allimadi (53:26.717)
have measures anymore, because the solution begins by having a state for the Palestinians. And also another thing I want to add is what is very disgusting, this play by some elements, especially right wing, including right wing media, to equate protests and demonstrations against the genocide in Gaza, to equate that with anti -Semitism.
Adesoji Iginla (53:33.646)
Mm. Mm.
Adesoji Iginla (53:43.694)
media. Yep.
Milton Allimadi (53:55.197)
which is the most corrupt and demeaning and ugly way of playing the race card. And I'm glad that prominent Jewish Americans like Senator Bernie Sanders, like...
Adesoji Iginla (54:00.494)
Hmm. Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (54:11.278)
No more fecustin.
Milton Allimadi (54:13.789)
right and also rich, rich, the former, he was the labor secretary under Bill Clinton, have come out and said the same thing. No, to oppose Prime Minister Netanyahu's policy and what is going on in the atrocities in Gaza is not anti -Semitism. And they also lambasted that for trying to play that card, you know, when it was not warranted.
Adesoji Iginla (54:32.846)
doesn't constitute anti -Semitism.
Adesoji Iginla (54:43.63)
So one final question on that. Do you think we're going to see the economic boycott that we saw during the 80s which took us to South Africa?
Milton Allimadi (54:59.581)
Well, interesting that you bring that issue up because a lot of the European countries are now actually talking about that as well. Because obviously they don't want to be seen as condoning or in any way, you know, aiding and abetting what is going on right now. So in fact, it's interesting that you say that because it could bring some analogy in terms of what was happening in dealing with the apartheid in South Africa. Because...
Many European countries came on board before the United States. The United States did not come on until much, much later. Right. And it would not, it started to take a shifting, of course, when Jimmy Carter became president. You know, Carter was very significant in the liberation of the Southern African States. You know, when he appointed Ambassador Andrew Young, he was very vocal.
Adesoji Iginla (55:33.742)
Hmm, true. Until the very tail end, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Milton Allimadi (55:58.109)
could afford to be very vocal because he knew he had the backing, excuse me, of his president. You see? So now we might see something similar where the European countries would be at the forefront, once again, of insisting and demanding on a Palestinian state, and the U .S. would not be able to hold that back.
Adesoji Iginla (56:18.35)
Now, our final story would be, again, we're going to the former home of apartheid. And the issue there is the victims are seeking reparations. So South Africa apartheid victims demand reparations. 30 years after the end of apartheid,
Milton Allimadi (56:35.325)
Yes.
Adesoji Iginla (56:44.718)
dozens of South Africans have set up a protest camp outside the Constitutional Court demanding reparations for human rights abuses suffered under white minority rule. And some might ask the question, why now? Well, it says that the protesters say since they weren't identified as victims of human rights abuses during the apartheid by South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission led by the late
Archbishop Tutu, 28 years ago, they've not benefited from any reparation paid out by the government to date. While the group had protested in front of the court intermediately for years, their permanent camp outside the Constitutional Court only started November 2023. There's one part here where it stands out for me. And it is, uh, Beme Second.
Yeah, here we thought the TRC will bring us justice, he said about the South African Democracy Project. Now, if your population is saying what they consider to be
the vehicle of seeking redress has not served them. Is that not incumbent on the present government to see to it that that is the case? Considering the fact that lower down in the piece, it says there is still money that has not been disbursed.
Milton Allimadi (58:27.229)
This story is interesting to me only in suggesting what really needs to be done. Otherwise, the story itself, if the context is accepted, then I think our viewers and South Africans themselves will be falling into a trap, a very serious trap. Because first of all, it said the...
Adesoji Iginla (58:36.238)
Mm.
Milton Allimadi (58:56.189)
Truth and Reconciliation Commission had identified, I forget the figure, of people who are entitled to compensation. Was it 21 ,000 or more?
Adesoji Iginla (59:03.246)
I think it's about 21 ,000. I'll pull it up again. Share.
Milton Allimadi (59:08.445)
Was it 21 or 200?
Milton Allimadi (59:13.949)
and then it was whittled down to 17 ,000 from the higher number. What was the higher number?
Adesoji Iginla (59:17.6)
Yeah, yeah. So initially, how many were identified? Then the second. OK, so initially, in 2003, when the Truth Commission published its delayed recommendation for reparation, it recognized 21 ,000. But then subsequently, it was pulled down to 17 ,000 people eligible for reparation.
Milton Allimadi (59:41.373)
Okay. Okay, so look at the nonsense of that, right?
Milton Allimadi (59:50.109)
every African citizen.
of South Africa deserves compensation.
So why are we talking about, you know, figures of 20 something thousand people? See? You know, they're selling their story and they're letting us buy that story and now we start demanding, oh yeah, yeah, compensate all 21 ,000. No! Millions of South African Africans deserve compensation for what happened during apartheid.
Adesoji Iginla (01:00:03.31)
numbers.
Adesoji Iginla (01:00:28.622)
Hmm, I did.
Milton Allimadi (01:00:28.957)
They deserve the type of compensation that descendants of enslaved Africans in the United States are demanding. That's the type of compensation and reparation we should be talking about. How are you going to calculate it? Beginning from when the Dutch settlers, British settlers, occupiers, I don't even like that term settlers, you don't come and take somebody's land, kill them and then call yourself a settler.
when the Europeans started arriving. Do you calculate it based on when apartheid became the official national policy in 1948? Do you calculate it from the day that either the year when Africans were kicked off their land and the land was given to Europeans and the laws were enacted to prevent Africans from having land? So there are ways to calculate some level of compensation.
Adesoji Iginla (01:01:07.374)
Yeah.
Milton Allimadi (01:01:26.493)
to every Africa. Now somebody would say, oh, this is impractical, it's outrageous. Actually, it's not.
European South Africans have accumulated so much wealth. Number one, even today, European South Africans, on average, their per capita income is higher than that of European Americans. Think about that. Right? Think about that. And then the accumulated wealth and the prevention of deprivation of Africans to accumulate and build.
Adesoji Iginla (01:01:39.95)
Sure.
Milton Allimadi (01:02:04.541)
wealth and transfer intergenerational wealth. So they have to come up with some measures to tax the wealth that has been accumulated by Europeans and to transfer that wealth into a system that starts dispersing these checks. And you don't have to write a check one time and that's it. If you can tax...
an amount that is then put in funds that generate income and interest, then you can even calculate that for a period of, I don't know, 15, 20, 25 years.
Black African families are going to be getting this extra pay on their check or their annual returns. They're going to get a normal refund in addition to this amount of thousands of dollars. And then in 15, 20 years, we can say, okay, now we've shifted and balanced the playing field. Otherwise, we're going to have a permanent class.
wealthy Europeans and Africans, you benefited from the legacy of apartheid and a permanent class of Africans who were deprived, just like you have in the United States, a permanent class of economically disenfranchised African descendants and Europeans who benefited from the proceeds of the enslavement of Africa.
Adesoji Iginla (01:03:28.814)
Approved.
Adesoji Iginla (01:03:41.55)
African -Americans.
Adesoji Iginla (01:03:49.39)
Mm.
Milton Allimadi (01:03:49.405)
So that's the kind of conversation we should be having and that I would be interested. Not a few people badly in need who are sleeping in front of the court. No, that to me is a very small story. Let's go to the real story.
Adesoji Iginla (01:04:04.398)
Hmm. I mean, um, funny enough, you should hold that line because I was, um, I was in university when apartheid fell. And one of the things we debated in school then was how do you amend or repair the people? I was on the side who were saying that you need to have a system in place.
And at that time I said, a system, 25 years, free health, free education, quality housing. What was it? There was something else. There was something else. Training.
Milton Allimadi (01:04:51.517)
But you're thinking the same line. Deal with these things quickly so that it does not become a permanent albatross. Look at this country. They knew the solution in the beginning. Reconstruction, that's what it was supposed to address. But then the reactionary forces reversed all of that. And since then, they've never revisited that issue. But the fact that they even
Adesoji Iginla (01:05:03.086)
Hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (01:05:07.566)
with reconstruction.
Milton Allimadi (01:05:21.181)
started to implement construction, knew, it proves that they knew that this is one thing we want to deal with quickly so that it does not become a burden down the line.
Adesoji Iginla (01:05:25.614)
that they knew where the problem was. Yeah. Yeah.
No, I mean, I'm on that page in the sense that if in 1994 such a program was put in place for 25 years, we'll be...
Milton Allimadi (01:05:42.877)
Think about that. We would not be having this conversation we're having today. We would not. You know?
Adesoji Iginla (01:05:51.022)
Hmm. You know, so I mean, sometimes we, we, when we seek to take the long view, and we get the vested interest to dissuade us from taking what should be the rightful action, we then look back on time now, and there will be also the ones that will know, well, we don't have the money now. But you had the goodwill then.
Milton Allimadi (01:05:52.029)
Yep.
Milton Allimadi (01:06:06.909)
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Milton Allimadi (01:06:19.901)
Absolutely.
Adesoji Iginla (01:06:19.918)
you made sure you made sure Mandela came out put him in a rugby shirt you know talk about a rainbow nation a rainbow nation where the people that look like him were still disenfranchised i mean giving one the vote without giving them the economic means
to keep that vote, to keep it meaningful. I mean, it's painful. It's painful to look back on and to think, again, Africa continues to play that role of catch -up. The same thing in Zimbabwe.
You know, the same thing in Congo. Just constant drum beat of the Africans don't know what is good for them. And yet when they rise up and ask the question, their pushback on as being, what's the word they love to use again? Unreasonable.
Milton Allimadi (01:07:15.741)
Right.
Milton Allimadi (01:07:29.501)
I mean, this is hopefully this is the conversation that our system brothers on Africa will expand on and you know, push it to the limit and it's not your conclusion. You know, you can't just as Biko said in that if you go to YouTube listener, just put Steve Biko interview.
Adesoji Iginla (01:07:30.094)
So.
Adesoji Iginla (01:07:37.646)
Mm -hmm.
Adesoji Iginla (01:07:45.102)
Yeah, not just 21 ,000.
Milton Allimadi (01:07:56.957)
and the interview is about 28 minutes, and Steve Pico said, and I'll never forget this, said, if we think ending apartheid, I'm paraphrasing, of course, ending apartheid means replacing the European ruling class with Africans, and then that's it, without transforming the economic system, redistributing wealth, then it would have been as if...
apartheid was never ended. That's what he said.
Adesoji Iginla (01:08:32.046)
Hmm and look at and look out
Milton Allimadi (01:08:34.109)
And it turns out Biko was 100 % correct.
Adesoji Iginla (01:08:37.678)
Look at what we have now. Look at what we have.
Milton Allimadi (01:08:40.573)
Yep.
Adesoji Iginla (01:08:42.862)
Again, thank you, comrade.
Milton Allimadi (01:08:48.765)
My pleasure, sir.
Adesoji Iginla (01:08:50.382)
Yeah, it's always a pleasure to have these conversations and to lick the veil on the Western media because they tend to hide intentions behind...
Milton Allimadi (01:08:58.685)
Yes.
Milton Allimadi (01:09:02.813)
Right. But the good thing, I must say, is that...
our viewers will learn how to read between the lines very quickly. Believe me, in a few short weeks, they will be reading the same thing that they've been reading, not in the same way anymore. Absolutely.
Adesoji Iginla (01:09:20.27)
That is, and that will also help inform not just themselves, but also the kind of conversations they have with people around them. Because that then means, you know, we're doing something wonderful here. Again, I would appreciate your support. Please share, like, and you know.
Get other people to subscribe. We're actually looking for 1000 subscribers by July 31st. And every, the more we can get voices to put this in front of people, the more we can bring people around to thinking outside the norm, outside the neocolonial mindset. Oh, you know, because it's important that Africa does not continue to play.
the second fiddle. The continent is only dark in the minds of those people who see it as one, not in the minds of the people who live within it. And again, thank you, Brother Milton, and thank you to our viewers and listeners who will probably get this in audio podcasts. Again, you can get it on the video on YouTube.
Milton Allimadi (01:10:18.813)
Absolutely.
Adesoji Iginla (01:10:46.638)
audio, whatever you get your podcasts and thank you again Brother Milton for coming through and until next time and yeah, yeah, victory as setter as they will say. Thank you.
Milton Allimadi (01:10:57.341)
I look to continue on.