EP 9 U.S Elections Special I African News Review 🌍

This conversation hosted by Adesoji Iginla with guest Milton Allimadi and special guest Aya Fubara Eneli. Esq. delves into the implications of the upcoming US elections, particularly focusing on the potential outcomes of a Trump or Harris presidency. 

The discussion highlights the global ramifications of these elections, the role of money in politics, and the historical context of populism. The speakers assess the candidates' positions on various issues, including NATO, immigration, and women's rights, while also considering the broader impact on democracy and human rights. The conversation culminates in a critical examination of Project 2025 and its potential effects on marginalized communities. 

In this conversation, the speakers discuss the implications of the overturning of Roe v. Wade, emphasising the impact on women's reproductive rights and autonomy. They explore the political landscape, highlighting the need for accountability and the intersectionality of race and gender in the current political climate. The conversation also addresses strategies for activism and the importance of grassroots movements in the face of challenges to democracy.

Key Takeaways
*The US elections have global implications that cannot be ignored.
*Trump's unpredictability makes him a dangerous candidate.
*The wealth gap in America is unsustainable and has historical parallels.
*Populism resonates with many voters due to economic frustrations.
*The Democratic Party's alignment with big business limits its effectiveness.
*Human rights should be at the forefront of political discussions.
*NATO's role in global politics is increasingly questioned.
*Project 2025 poses significant risks to women's rights and democracy.
*The media's portrayal of candidates shapes public perception.
*Political engagement is crucial for marginalized communities. 
*The overturning of Roe v. Wade has led to dire consequences for women's health and autonomy.
*Decisions affecting women's bodies are predominantly made by men in power.
*The political landscape is increasingly reactionary, impacting education and healthcare.
*Activism and grassroots movements are essential for change in the current political climate.
*Intersectionality plays a crucial role in understanding the challenges faced by women of color.
*Women are facing life-threatening situations due to restrictive reproductive laws.
*Political accountability is necessary to address systemic issues affecting marginalized communities.
*The importance of educating young voters about their rights and the political process cannot be overstated.
*The current political agenda seeks to dismantle hard-won rights and protections for women.
*Community organizing and solidarity are vital for effective activism.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the US Elections and Global Implications
03:03 The Global Impact of US Election Outcomes
06:02 Assessing Candidates: Trump vs. Harris
09:10 The Role of Money in Politics
11:47 Historical Context: Populism and Its Resonance
14:45 The Threat of Authoritarianism
18:09 The Role of NATO and Global Alliances
21:03 The Guardian's Perspective on Trump
23:50 Human Impact of Political Decisions
27:02 The Future of Democracy in America
30:07 Project 2025 and Its Implications
32:59 Conclusion: The Path Forward
42:15 The Impact of Roe v. Wade Overturning
45:53 Reproductive Rights and Women's Autonomy
51:47 Political Accountability and the Role of Women
56:44 The Intersection of Race and Gender in Politics
01:01:32 Ground Game Strategies for Upcoming Challenges
01:07:44 The Future of American Democracy and Activis

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.186)
Greetings, greetings and welcome again to African News Review, a weekly conversation in which we take a look at the coverage of Africa in the Western media and deconstruct the stories for you. But this time, this week, we are doing a special. It's coverage of the US elections in general and the implications for African Americans and the world at large. I am your host as usual, Adesuji Ginla, and with me...

Today is my guest, my usual guest, journalist, publisher, Black Star News, a broadcaster on WBAI, author of How Africa is Demonized in the Media, is the inspiration for this program. He holds degrees in journalism economics from Columbia and Syracuse University respectively.

Milton Allimadi (00:37.161)
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Adesoji Iginla (00:59.134)
I give to you, Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (01:04.241)
Kareem.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06.814)
And our special guest, well, needs no introduction, but I should do the introduction. She's a sister and comrade in arms. Her name, as you can see on the screen, is Mrs. Aya Fubara Eneli Esquire. She's the author of the Amazon bestselling book, Self-Love Revolution, and at the moment, host of Rethinking Freedom on YouTube. And she recently did...

an expose or a breakdown of Project 2025 on our channel and enjoying people to actually go to Rethinking Freedom on YouTube and subscribe. Welcome Sister Aya.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:47.844)
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you and particularly Brother Milton Alamadi, who I have been watching for years, read his book and just so grateful for the work that you have been doing and your consistent sacrifice for African people and your fight for our liberation. Very inspiring. It's an honor to be in conversation with you. And of course, my brother, Adjoa Swaggy.

Milton Allimadi (02:07.853)
Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Sister. Thanks for the kind words.

Adesoji Iginla (02:12.184)
It's a having you. Okay, they do the old English maxim is charity begins at home for the first story of the day we go to New York Times, the gray lady of the American press and the story reads.

Milton Allimadi (02:18.093)
Cough

Adesoji Iginla (02:33.684)
It's headlined how US election matters for the rest of the world. So there is a breakdown by subject matter, which is Israel, Russia, Ukraine, China, Europe, NATO, global trade, South Africa, Mexico, the climate. And we take a certain part of it. The world does not pick the US president, but it will live with the consequences of whether Americans elect Vice President Kamala Harris or former president Donald J. Trump.

It is a decision that would have global, globe spanning consequences from the wars in Gaza and Ukraine to climate change and global freight. The world wants to know what kind of superpower will America be in the years to come? Was Trump an aberration or was president Biden? I spoke with my fellow, I'm just reading now, but one thing is clear, this election polarizes the world as much as it does the United States, or sometimes in unexpected ways.

Milton Allimadi (03:05.741)
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Adesoji Iginla (03:33.856)
And it goes to, I'll just do a quick rundown that we'll discuss. So in the subject matter here, Israel, and the point for them, the Israeli society, not to mention the government is more opposed to Palestinian statehood and two state solution than it has been in decades. Now, US president is likely to change that. President Harris will probably put more pressure on Israel to reach a ceasefire and open up talks with the Palestinians, but she will unlikely say,

cut off military support to Israel. President Trump, on the other hand, will perhaps be less bothered about Israel allowing Jewish settlers back into Gaza as part of the Israeli government would like to do. He also takes a more aggressive line on Iran than Harris, which pleases many Israelis. On the subject of Russia and Ukraine, Putin wants a deal, something he can call a victory. He believes Ukraine is a puppet of the United States.

So he believes he can only get a deal in a negotiation with the US president who he has publicly backed Harris. This might seem disingenuous or counterintuitive, but Putin may think he can do business with her. On China, whoever wins, the next president will be a hawk on China, but the president, the people I speak to in Beijing are divided about which candidate will be better for China. The trade-off centers on two issues, tariff and Taiwan.

China's economic officials are very aware that Trump has called for blanket tariffs on Chinese exports, which will pose a serious threat to China's economy. This is a country that is enormously dependent on foreign demand, especially from America, and to keep its factory running and its workers employed. Manufacturing creates a lot of wealth. It upsets China's very serious housing market crash. Now, this one. Key.

NATO, Europe and NATO. Depending on who you talk to in Europe, a Trump victory is either a nightmare or a gift. Europe's growing band of nativists in Hungary, Italy, Germany and elsewhere regard Trump as the leader of their movement. If he regains the White House, he will normalize and energize their headlines on immigration and national identity. Meanwhile, most Western European leaders are deeply anxious

Adesoji Iginla (06:02.562)
Trump talks of slapping 20 % tariffs onto everything sold in America, including European exports, and could spell disaster for Europe's economy. And of course, Trump has repeatedly talked about leaving NATO. So to our special guest first, Ms. Aya, you could take the subject matter in any order. What is your initial assessment?

Milton Allimadi (06:28.087)
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Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (06:29.358)
Well, my initial assessment on this is that anybody who's banking on Trump might know something that I don't know. Because what is clear is that he is so power hungry that he will get in bed with whomever it is that will advance his particular goal to enthrone himself, I guess, as a monarch, a dictator, whatever.

And there's no moral compass. There's no empathy where he's concerned. And so if today it's in his personal interest to throw NATO under the bus, will, if it's in his personal interest to go toe to toe with Putin in Ukraine, if that's what he sees Ukraine as a puppet, he will. If it's not, then yes, let Ukraine just surrender to Russia.

And so with everybody who is looking at, well, what will Trump do? That's precisely the issue. And I think that's also why some people are so drawn to him is, he's bombastic and he'll do whatever. And that's the mark of a strong person, but it really is a mark of a very weak person who can be manipulated and bought over by just the right person for the right price. That's my assessment of him. Now, in terms of Kamala Harris,

You know, the Democrats have this issue of wanting to be this big tent, this tent that allows people from divergent viewpoints and ideologies to come together because we need to cobble together this coalition in order to be able to get into a place of, quote unquote, it's still power. To that extent, when it comes to Israel, is Kamala, are the Democrats willing to take on AIPAC and ostracize them?

don't think so. I think that she will stand the toe of line more so with NATO and in the sense of understanding that America does need allies, does need to continue this history that they've had in working hand in hand with Europe as their cousins, as they would say. And so I think you can see her still pressuring the different

Adesoji Iginla (08:17.954)
sorry.

Adesoji Iginla (08:36.652)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:44.1)
countries within NATO to do their part, but at the same time, NATO and European allies knowing we can count on her. So I'll be interested to hear what Baba Alamadi has to share in this, but my take on it is that Trump is a wild card and anyone playing games with him can expect to possibly be burnt.

Adesoji Iginla (09:09.24)
What about China? What about China though?

Milton Allimadi (09:10.442)
Yes.

Ahem.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:13.904)
Again, when it comes to China, this need for him to be seen as all powerful. I don't doubt that he would slap these tariffs on. I don't doubt that some of his billionaire friends aren't in bed with him. And to the extent that you are seeing so many of these billionaires who own newspapers as well, choosing not to publicly take a stance, they're hedging their bets.

Adesoji Iginla (09:39.372)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:39.682)
And they want to be in bed with whoever is in power. And if it's Trump, they don't want to be crushed. And so they will fall in line. And so with China, think it's a matter of who's going to be the biggest bad-ass there, really. Is it going to be me, either Trump, Putin, or Xi? I think that's what he's looking at. I don't think that there's anything that Trump does. And unfortunately, the Republicans have allowed themselves to be co-opted by this man.

in this cult and actually I would say that he too is a puppet. There are people behind him that are moving the strings up and down, but they love having someone that they can manipulate. And so in terms of Taiwan, this man doesn't care about civil rights or human rights for anybody. He doesn't care about how people are treated within this country. So he's not going to bet. I think he's actually a little bit more risk averse than we think.

He's not going to fight for Taiwan and I think he will move forward on the tariffs. And so again for China

I just never tell you to hedge your bets with a madman. That's what I would say.

Adesoji Iginla (10:52.278)
music.

Milton Allimadi (10:53.353)
Okay. Actually, you touch on many important points, comrade Aya. That is not, that should be the main part of the conversation. But you don't get that in mainstream conversations or in the networks. Why is Trump possibly on the verge of winning in the first place?

Adesoji Iginla (11:09.036)
media.

Milton Allimadi (11:18.955)
I mean, obviously I hope he doesn't win, but if he wins, nobody will be shocked because the race is that close. It's going to take a situation where does Harris win Michigan? Does she win Pennsylvania? She needs to get probably these states and these states normally both the same pattern, you know? So the question should be, why should a person with the attributes of Trump be

on the verge of possibly winning or making this race even this close. So we have to look at the people that support him. The very wealthy class, he's already promised them tax breaks, so he's going to get that for them. And also the millions of poor white folks who blame everybody except the rich elite for their woes, right?

It's those immigrants that are pouring into the nation, right? Those are the immigrants that are taking black jobs and they use that pitch. And that pitch is actually having some resonance amongst the black men, as you've seen. I mean, I've you know, black men speaking on the streets and talking about immigrants taking black jobs.

Adesoji Iginla (12:16.92)
You

Adesoji Iginla (12:27.756)
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Milton Allimadi (12:47.757)
I've seen a few that didn't particularly look like they were eager to be working, but they were saying those statements. So it does have resonance. And the bigger picture is what is really going on in this country. The wealthy have everything and that has consequences. Why did a person like Hitler become popular in Germany? People forget that he didn't necessarily come and seize power.

by the armed forces. No, he went through the system, the rigged system at some point. And when he didn't win, he did exactly what Trump did. People should go back and look. When he lost, he would denounce the elections as being rigged. And people that were aggrieved, working people, he knew how to make them blame everybody for their condition. And he started...

Adesoji Iginla (13:21.208)
It was voted in. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (13:46.569)
using that language of populism, which is exactly what Donald Trump does as well. And that's why it has resonance. All right. So it reminds me many times of what the late Julius Nyerere once said, President of Tanzania. And I told this to a comrade at the SOG before. He was being interviewed by an American reporter and he said, you know, the world would be a much better place.

Adesoji Iginla (13:55.458)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (14:16.607)
if the US had an opposition party. And the reporter said, what do you mean? We have the Democrats and Republicans. And the editor said, that's the problem. He said, both of them are capitalist and imperialist. So there's no essential opposition party that has a different platform of economic agenda, right?

Adesoji Iginla (14:25.163)
You

Adesoji Iginla (14:34.432)
opposition.

Milton Allimadi (14:45.357)
Potentially transformative candidate had been Bernie Sanders. And people thought, yeah, he would really try to do what he meant in terms of shifting wealth and income in this country. So in this country, the top 10 % own two thirds of the wealth in this country. The bottom 50%, 2.5%, that's an unsustainable society.

And that is how a person like Donald Trump can become popular. You know, I was telling Adeswaji some time back that I have a very wealthy friend. He's very generous with his words, but not his wealth, right? Otherwise we would be having a media empire. But he said, he said something very important. He said, Milton, I think in this country, they're going to be

Adesoji Iginla (15:36.216)
You

Milton Allimadi (15:44.087)
a series of social upheavals that could lead to a revolution. And he volunteered this information. didn't know. It wasn't part of any conversation. It just came out of the blue. I said, why do you say that? He said, because when I started making my wealth in the 1980s, there was a middle class in this country. You could actually get a decent job, send your kids to school, pay off your home, take vacation, retire, and have money. He said, today, that's impossible.

Adesoji Iginla (15:48.056)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (16:12.919)
You need three jobs just to survive. There's only me talking about himself and everybody else. You cannot survive or sustain a society like that. It's impossible. But the problem is, and this is him still speaking, in the back of their mind, they think they can use the military and the police to hold the lid down. And it's not going to work because eventually they're going to have eruptions, multiple eruptions, not limited eruptions. And then what do do?

Adesoji Iginla (16:24.216)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (16:43.189)
He said it may not happen in his lifetime. He was in his 80s, he's in his 90s now. But it's possible that it could happen in your lifetime. So me, I took that very seriously. A billionaire saying something like that, it means he's thought about it seriously. He has no reason to say it except now he's in the twilight of his life. He feels he has nothing to lose to say that. So.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:07.888)
Nothing to lose, but still he's not going to help bring about change.

Milton Allimadi (17:12.427)
No, absolutely not. says that is part of your, you and the generation after you, that is your job, you see? But his analysis actually makes sense because if you look at the data, it is just not possible. And we have that problem in many of our African countries too because our elite reflect the elite in these countries, those neo-colonial elites. The wealth gap in South Africa, for example.

The wealth gap is even worse than here in the United States. But now to get very quickly, and I'll only spend a few minutes on this because I think everything works beneath this bigger framework that I just laid out. So on NATO, ironically, I'm actually on the same page with Trump. I oppose NATO. NATO is a neo-colonial structure. You saw what NATO did to Libya. Think about that. You saw what NATO did to Libya. On China,

Adesoji Iginla (17:44.642)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (18:09.749)
I think it's going to be a great mistake. Those terrorists is going to, obviously China will retaliate and then China that will impact their dealings with other countries as well. So that will trigger a global trade war. I doubt that it will be sustained. He may try in the beginning, but I think, you know, his very rich friends eventually will, you know, try to rein him in. On Israel, I think if Netanyahu was a smart man,

he should actually cut a with Kamala before he should cut a deal today or tomorrow and have a ceasefire and get whatever he can from her. Because, you know, as the sister said, none of them can withstand the APAC lobby. So under Trump, it would be APAC. Under Kamala, it would still be APAC. So get the best deal from somebody who really wants to win.

Desperately and has never been president the other guys were present already. Yeah, so if I were Netanyahu cut a deal With Kamala because at the end of the day Trump cannot give at a now just a loose rein and say do whatever you want Remember after all he said Israel is already losing the global public relations war That was actually an honest statement and it's true. You know, it's really so widely detested now globally You know

mean, people kind of stand and watch young babies being massacred, women being massacred, the elderly being massacred, schools being destroyed, hospitals, a mosque. It's just not sustainable. So even Trump realized that and said that. But as the sister is right, would still all succumb to AIPAC. And then finally, on Ukraine, once again, Trump is actually...

has a better policy than the Democrats and Kamala. The Democrats and Kamala, they've fed billions of dollars to Ukraine, when in fact, yes, Russia was wrong for invading Ukraine, but the West cannot play dumb and innocent that they did not goad Russia about continuing to expand the borders of NATO, when they made a commitment after the button wall fell that they would not extend NATO. So they're potted to blame.

Adesoji Iginla (20:19.596)
sustain.

Adesoji Iginla (20:30.338)
Yep.

Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (20:33.953)
But know, imperialism cannot check itself. And that's what happened. But I think Trump would actually force them to come to the negotiating table because ultimately, the Democrats may spend billions of dollars more at the end of the day. They're going to come to the negotiating table. They're not going to be able to overthrow Putin, which is what they had thought they would be able to do in the beginning. He has survived this long. In fact, the tide has now shifted against Ukraine on the battlefield.

Adesoji Iginla (20:55.73)
Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (21:03.767)
So I think those are the questions.

Adesoji Iginla (21:06.41)
Okay, having studied the point of view from New York, we'll go to London, the mothership. And in London, the story comes from The Guardian. This election presents a critical choice, it says. And I've highlighted some paragraphs for us to mull over. It is hard.

to imagine a worse candidate for the American presidency in 2024 than Donald J. Trump. Obviously, his history of dishonesty, hypocrisy, greed makes him wholly unfit for the office. A second Trump term would erode the rule of law, diminish America's global standing, deepen racial and cultural divides, even if he loses. Trump has shown that he will undermine the election process with allies spreading unfounded conspiracy theories to de-

Milton Allimadi (21:52.877)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (22:02.892)
delegitimize the results. There are prominent Republicans such as the former Vice President Dick Cheney, who refused to support Mr. Trump owing to the threat he poses. General MacMillan, the chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump, calls his former boss a fascist. America was founded on opposition to absolute monarchy." The Republican nominee models himself after the leader he most admires, Russia's autocratic President Vladimir Putin.

Milton Allimadi (22:04.684)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (22:33.876)
His team has tried to distance itself from the Heritage Foundation Project 2025 and its extreme proposal, such as the mass firing of civilians, civil servants, and erasing women's rights. That pulled poorly. But it is likely that in office, Mr. Trump will adopt many of these intolerant, patriotic, and discriminatory plans. He aims to dismantle the government to enrich himself, evade the law, if Republicans gain control of the Senate,

Milton Allimadi (22:35.767)
Thanks.

Milton Allimadi (22:47.06)
No.

Adesoji Iginla (23:02.71)
House and the White House, he will interpret it as a mandate to silence his critics and entrench his power.

Sister.

Milton Allimadi (23:14.849)
All true.

Adesoji Iginla (23:16.642)
This is a thought from London. What's your reaction?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (23:21.316)
don't disagree with anything that they've said. And here's the issue for me as we're talking about politics and policies and so on and so forth. For me at the base of all of this is what happens to human beings? So whether we're talking about, you know, should NATO be expanded or not? And what did we agree at the Berlin conference? The bottom line is how is this impacting human beings? Our ability to live free, our ability to have access to

Milton Allimadi (23:23.692)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (23:27.746)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (23:35.063)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (23:50.648)
the basic necessities of life. And so on a very basic level, whether he was, you know, I don't care about which party he's representing in the sense that if you understand American history, your US history, you understand that at one point, a large to a large degree, what the Republicans represent today is what the Democrats at one point represented and vice versa. So

You know, it's like the labels are essentially meaningless to me. And that's why I understand why people say, well, the parties are the same. However, there are points in time when you have to look at who is what, what, who, is driving policies, what are the policies they're going for and how do they impact people day to day? And so this man is bereft of humanity. He just simply doesn't care about anyone but himself.

Milton Allimadi (24:31.202)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (24:36.813)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (24:43.376)
Even in his family history, his own niece and nephew are telling you how he undercuts his own brother and hurts his own flesh and blood because it's all about him, period. We have seen him do that with so many of these attorneys and other people who have supported him who are now disbarred, who just go along with what he's

Adesoji Iginla (24:50.392)
You

Milton Allimadi (25:03.997)
One is homeless, Giuliani, Giuliani is homeless. Giuliani got tossed out of his apartment.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (25:07.488)
Exactly. mean, this was the guy who at one point, this is one guy who at one point was America's mayor, you know, and how far he has fallen. Not that I was ever a fan of his, but I'm just saying, so I agree with everything that the guardian is saying. And that is again, why it is stupendous that this man, first of all, was chosen by the Republicans to represent their party. And that too, we now have all of these millions of people who are supporting him. But again,

Adesoji Iginla (25:07.576)
you

Adesoji Iginla (25:15.554)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (25:15.607)
Yup.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (25:35.93)
to the point that Brother Alamadi made, when you can prey on people's fears, when you can prey on their vulnerabilities. So I have no pushback to what the Guardian has concluded in terms of who this man is and what he stands for. And then again, for me, it's the people behind him who are pushing this. Because if we talk about Project 2025, this is not his brainchild.

The man has to be drawn pictures. He's not reading all of this stuff. He didn't come up with make America great again. He did not read Menkenf in that way and understand it. There are people behind him who are using him to advance their own agendas and white supremacy racism is at the base of it. And I would say that for African leaders, even though we have oligarchs and dictators who again,

Adesoji Iginla (26:06.264)
You

Milton Allimadi (26:08.079)
No.

Adesoji Iginla (26:19.916)
Agenda.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (26:32.76)
might be aligning themselves with Trump. We need to be very careful because there is, we're at an inflection point and this might seem radical, but if there was a race to Fashada before, if there was a Berlin conference to sit down and carve up Africa, you're looking at this fight between China and the West and the US in particular. What is to stop Africa again from being on the chopping block in the same way?

Adesoji Iginla (26:41.314)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (27:02.318)
Mm-hmm. think

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (27:03.758)
But let me pass on to our comrade here.

Milton Allimadi (27:06.985)
Okay, so I agree with the sister wholeheartedly that Trump represents a grave danger. Particularly, we saw what he did with Elon Musk as well. So I am actually praying for a Trump defeat so that Elon Musk can be defeated as well. You know, he's been promoting that whole thing about Haitian immigrants eating dogs thing. If you go to his, you know...

his tweets, you know, but it's understandable. This is a racist to this core from South Africa, you know, somebody European from South Africa. What do you expect? Right. You know, he's he's re litigating the apartheid struggle all over again. So it sees Trump as sort of, you know, vicariously a savior of apartheid. You see?

Adesoji Iginla (27:54.828)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (27:59.816)
vehicle. Yeah.

Hmm. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (28:05.643)
So, and the type of hatred and hostility that they've been able to generate against immigrants, particularly immigrants that are African descendants, it's just, it's amazing. I can see instances of border guards starting to shoot people at the borders. It's already happening, right? But it happens like,

a low-scale maybe at night, but I can see it openly.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (28:43.642)
that will have qualified immunity. They can do whatever in their official capacity.

Milton Allimadi (28:46.771)
Absolutely. In fact, that's the next thing I was going to say. I was going to say just that. They'll have trials and you'll see them getting acquitted. And then of course that will embolden even more. And then it won't stop on the border. And then the police, and we already have a major problem with police brutality, right? That will also escalate, right? You know, this is a guy who, when he's talking to a police union once.

said as they're leading suspects into the car, know, when they lower their head to get in the car, he said, why don't you, you know, hit the head against the door as they're going in. Just think about that. So this is a, and you know, hate, as you know, historically hate draws, you know, that is a passion that will bring people to the voting, to the polls. But at the same time, yes, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (29:43.642)
So let me ask you, let me ask you comrade on this. You brought up South African appetite and his Elon Musk's origins. Now that is a place where you had majority black people, right? And you can add the colors as well. And you had a minority of Europeans who were able to hold power and hold it so effectively for so long. And the one might argue still hold it. Do you think that given the fear of the browning of America,

Milton Allimadi (29:52.097)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (30:07.383)
drink.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:14.532)
That there is not a sense of, okay, yeah, we're going to deport the 11 million or whatever else. but really our ultimate goal is to create an apathite system back here again in the U S some might argue that it has always existed. but the, to, create that where you do have this minority that is running everything. Cause when you're talking about the, the, economic inequality, when you're talking about the American political system and how expensive it is to run for anything, when you're talking about how

Milton Allimadi (30:39.693)
Mm-hmm.

Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:43.63)
really that Supreme Court has been bought and paid for. And this man saying, want to be a dictator and nothing stops him from changing the constitution. Apparently, if you're to have these many people going along with him, what are the implications for us here in the US?

Milton Allimadi (30:59.723)
Well, here's the thing. mean, I've thought of that scenario, you know, of a Trump possible victory. And then at the end of the day, and sadly that you have to say it this way, that sometimes things need to get really bad before you start seeing change. You know, it's just, know, unfortunately, sometimes it's very hard to wake up people and get them to do the right thing. But at the same time, you also say you could say,

So a conscious person, if you didn't want just the choices to be, okay, I don't want Trump. So the default is the Democratic party. To many people, that is not sufficiently appealing as well. You see, I can see a lot of conscious people not being drawn to the polls. At the same time, I can see a lot of conscious people saying, Harriet...

Adesoji Iginla (31:39.852)
Harris.

Adesoji Iginla (31:47.458)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (31:57.997)
Kamala may not be my choice, but do I really want four more years of this guy, given what he did in terms of Supreme Court?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (32:10.48)
only four years.

Milton Allimadi (32:12.491)
That's thing, okay? Because now he has this Supreme Court that he wanted, he packed it, know, anything is possible. But that also then takes us to the other situation of an extreme situation that Europe went through in the 1930s. know, wasn't only Hitler, it was Mussolini, was Franco in Spain, right? So they went through all of that. They went through that fire.

Adesoji Iginla (32:13.408)
yeah, he did say...

Milton Allimadi (32:43.053)
to start evolving and going in different paths? Is the United States going through that fire? If you look at the data, I guess I mentioned in terms of the wealth gap alone, I would say the answer is yes. The US may be going through that fire. Does it have to go through that fire? That's an issue that needs to be debated. Will the Democratic Party, as it is right now constituted

Adesoji Iginla (32:59.928)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (33:12.685)
be the solution in the long run and the answer is absolutely no. But I think in recent years, that's why you've seen like a much more, you can term them radical or much more progressive that realize that the income gap cannot be sustained. And that is why people like AOC got elected. Jamal Bowman, although Jamal Bowman was a packed out of his seat.

Adesoji Iginla (33:17.302)
No, no, no.

Adesoji Iginla (33:40.92)
I love his seats 14 days

Milton Allimadi (33:42.413)
But still, means there are enough people who would support candidates like Jamal Bowman to elect them into Congress. And I see, and I don't know when the inflection point is going to be, but the Democratic Party cannot be the way it is right now. Still too aligned to big business. the country, the politics, the legislative and the White House.

all controlled by big business and lobbies. As you mentioned, sister, it's impossible for somebody to just have great ideas and get elected. That's not enough. You need to have the money. Not a single one of the senators is not a millionaire today. Think about that. You go and survey each one of the members of the Senate. All of them are multimillionaires. And so that's why I agree with what you read.

that the Guardian is saying, except the part where they say something like, you know, American democracy is threatened. I think that has already been usurped a long time ago by many. But will the system become...

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (34:55.064)
Well, the question is when was America ever a democracy? I mean, so we kind of say like it's a given, but really, when was America a democracy? When women were fighting for the right vote or when Black men were fighting? When exactly was this country democratic?

Milton Allimadi (34:59.521)
Precisely. That's the thing. It usurped

Adesoji Iginla (35:00.984)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (35:06.573)
And I agree with you.

Right. And that's the propaganda, the propaganda that is widely accepted. People just say it, regurgitate it on and on, you know, it becomes embedded in the mind. It's completely untrue. we know people used to laugh at the Soviet Union and the propaganda, you know, but at least people knew clearly that was propaganda. Here, you you seep it in, you start believing it without realizing it's propaganda.

Adesoji Iginla (35:22.134)
You

Adesoji Iginla (35:35.842)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (35:40.897)
How can you say you're democracy when you need millions of dollars to be elected to become part of the legislature? And unfortunately, we have a lot of that problem in our African countries today as well, to get elected to parliament.

Adesoji Iginla (35:44.694)
You're kicking people who have the roles.

Adesoji Iginla (35:57.833)
you're kicking b

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (35:58.68)
And the question though is, but should we not be working for it to become that? I mean, isn't that the whole fight though, the liberation struggle, as opposed to what I see in the area that I'm in, where a lot of people have basically, it appears, thrown up their arms and just said, hey, you know, let whatever happens happen. And I'm going, you don't understand how bad it can get. And how dare you give up the fight now when every right you currently enjoy,

Milton Allimadi (36:04.905)
Absolutely.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (36:27.2)
someone else fought for. How selfish.

Milton Allimadi (36:28.205)
Absolutely. Okay, I'm glad you said that actually. I'm glad you said that because a lot of, you know, there's a Manco Mec speech, I forget which one, and he's talking about, you know, how the establishment, the Europeans, the whites have put, it's like you're in a dentist office and you get novocaine, right? And you're sitting there just laughing.

Well, blood is running down your jaw. A lot of that has happened. When the lines were very drawn during plantation slavery, people knew what the enemy was and they knew what to fight. Absolutely. In the 50s, 60s, when you still had official segregation in our land, and the young people were heading to join those marches and the resistance.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:09.858)
The closer we were to the lash. Yes, sir.

Adesoji Iginla (37:18.604)
Jim Crow.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:20.089)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (37:25.227)
they knew exactly what they were finding. But now it's a bit different, Because now you actually don't have the shackles tied to your ankle. You know, there are different types of shackles, you see?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:37.208)
Well, because now we've been sold the dream of you can be an exceptional Negro and you too can make it to the top. And so the rest of the Negroes, that's their problem.

Milton Allimadi (37:43.169)
There you go.

Milton Allimadi (37:47.723)
Yup, yup, yup, yup, there's a problem. They're not pulling themselves up by the bootstrap and all that. But then you needed people who were able to articulate that. You needed the Malcoms to articulate that, right? You Stokely Carmichael, aka Kwame Ture. Even Dr. King, his style was different, but he articulated very effectively.

Adesoji Iginla (37:55.542)
Mm. Mm. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (38:16.107)
Where are the articulators today? Really?

Adesoji Iginla (38:19.352)
So you made in both your submission, you highlighted one key point, which is the role money has played in the election circle, pre this one, possibly post this one. So for that, we'll go to London's Financial Times for our next story. And let's see what the money paper talks about when it comes to the issue of the American elections. So the Financial Times

puts in order that you've got immigration, economy, Gaza, abortion, and climate as the issues to decide during this election. And it's titled US Elections 2024, Everything You Need to Know About the White House Race, a Comprehensive FT Guide to the People and Policies and Pacts, shaping the November 5th vote. The 2024 presidential election is already amongst the most dramatic in modern memory.

What began as a rematch between a sitting and former US president was disrupted when Joe Biden dropped out in July and Vice President Kamala Harris replaced him on the Democratic ticket, propelling her into a head-to-head race for the White House against Donald Trump. Yeah, you clearly see the candidates, the moniker there. And Trump, meanwhile, has strong support from his base, broad appeal on issues like immigration and the economy, as well as financial support from billionaires.

such as Elon Musk and Bill Aikman. There's another part here I was looking out for. So on the issue of policies, Harris, Trump have most battled over the economy and the Republican candidate has painted a picture of mayhem and misery under the current administration blaming the White House for the country's cost of living crisis has been an effective strategy for Trump.

Although by some measures Harris has gained a narrow advantage on the issue. A recent FT Michigan-Ross poll showed 44 % of Americans trusted the Vice President with the economy compared to 42 % that say they favored the former president. There's one last part here. again, this one comes up. Project 2025 has been a recurring issue though one from which the former president has formally distanced himself.

Adesoji Iginla (40:41.26)
The controversial mandate for leadership, a right-wing policy proposal for a second Republican term written and paid for by the Heritage Foundation, Tink Tank promises to overhaul the U.S. government should Trump win its policy proposals including criminalizing porn, stricter anti-abortion measures, and a dramatic expansion of the executive branch powers. Let's focus on that aspect of the FT, which is Project 2025,

and its possible impact on women's reproductive rights and a dramatic expansion of the executive branch powers. What does that mean for people in the United States, especially people of color?

Adesoji Iginla (41:30.924)
sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (41:33.012)
I was gonna let was gonna let comrade alamadi take the first six yeah take the first one yes

Milton Allimadi (41:36.177)
no, if you want me to, that's no problem. When it comes to that issue, right?

Adesoji Iginla (41:40.492)
Yeah, you go.

Milton Allimadi (41:45.761)
Well, we don't know how the vote is going to, you know, the outcome. But if Harris does not get the white women vote, then that should tell you everything you need to know when it comes to how the superficial aspect of race can blind you against your own best interests. Right? Just think about that.

Adesoji Iginla (41:50.423)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (42:13.846)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (42:15.885)
to overturn Roe v. Wade. And now you have multiple stories of women having to take desperate measures, right? And a decision, by the way, made by men, because you have six men on the Supreme Court and you have only three women on the Supreme Court. So starting from the top decision made by men,

Adesoji Iginla (42:26.114)
measures.

Adesoji Iginla (42:34.039)
politicians.

Adesoji Iginla (42:37.848)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (42:45.641)
and it's going to be coming down below at every level, decision that basically that are being made by men over how women's bodies should be controlled. Very archaic, like we're going back to the days of the Knights of the Round Table, you know, on some respect. And then of course, there many other aspects of that project 2025.

Adesoji Iginla (42:57.452)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (43:14.849)
giving the power to dismiss civil servants by just changing their designation into political appointees. Everything that affects ordinary people. But when did people start talking about this project 2025? Literally just yesterday. This is something that people should have been talking about for years so that young voters know that how is it going to impact your student loan?

student loan forgiveness, student loan relief. Forget about that. That's all out the window. So in a way, you also blame the Democrats for not starting to pick out the messaging. That would have been something that every gathering of young people, know, student, that's a very popular item when it comes to young people, student debt relief. So they could have used that.

Adesoji Iginla (43:56.898)
message in.

Milton Allimadi (44:14.537)
and they just started using this very late. And even then, they're not still picking that out and zeroing on that. And there many other aspects of how reactionary this agenda is. There's, I think, about there's a federal system that provides education money. I think it's almost like $20 billion. So all of that is going to be given to the states.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (44:43.998)
Yes, you're talking I think you're talking about title one programs no, it's not It's not going to that. They're not saying to give it to the to give the money to the states They're just saying the federal government will stop funding it period and then it will be up to the streets to choose Yeah

Milton Allimadi (44:44.292)
Sorry

Milton Allimadi (44:48.233)
Exactly, that's it. Can you imagine?

Milton Allimadi (44:58.605)
Which is which is even worse. So now you have states states that are burning books. You imagine the states that are burning books blocking the teaching of of black ancestral history So this is a very dangerous Document that obviously and many people involved in producing it are people that were working in Trump's administration. So obviously it's going to

Adesoji Iginla (45:05.688)
Mmm. Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:23.952)
75 75 percent of the authors of this This piece that this diabolical let me tell you I have read I have read the entire thing, right? I printed mine out I didn't go buy it because I just didn't want to give any penny to them Sorry, I gave it to a to to a printer locally When you read through this you just have to ask yourself. What is the point? What is the goal here? The cruelty is the point

Milton Allimadi (45:28.641)
There you go.

Milton Allimadi (45:32.289)
Yes, please.

Adesoji Iginla (45:37.419)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (45:40.311)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:53.644)
on every level. So you ask what will it mean for women and our reproductive rights. Understand that Roe v. did not fall from the sky. We can talk about Griswold versus Connecticut that gave women the right to say in my marriage I can use contraception. That there's a possibility that I can be raped in my marriage by my husband that just because I'm doesn't mean that I have no autonomy whatsoever. And you hear the

Milton Allimadi (46:01.133)
Right.

Milton Allimadi (46:16.725)
Yup.

Milton Allimadi (46:20.789)
Absolutely.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:22.274)
And these white men now saying, if my wife goes to vote and she doesn't vote the way I tell her to vote, that's tantamount to cheating. And you know,

Milton Allimadi (46:31.447)
Can I interrupt you for one second? Just one second and then continue. Trump, Trump actually, his lawyer said it was not possible for him to have raped his wife. I forget which one, one of his ex-wives. There you go. Said, how can he rape his wife? Okay, right. So how can a husband rape his own wife? So I just wanted to get that in, but please continue.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:44.592)
Ivana was the wife.

Adesoji Iginla (46:45.879)
Ivanka.

Adesoji Iginla (46:49.912)
Yeah, even up, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:53.604)
Yeah, because at one point she was deposed and she actually said that she was raped. And then I guess as they were working out whatever settlement, she said, well, I didn't quite say that. But absolutely. And so there were women dying literally.

Adesoji Iginla (47:14.072)
top box.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:15.728)
And it's happening again now. Nevaeh Crane just died here in Texas a couple of days ago because she was experiencing some issues with her pregnancy, went to two, as I understand it, at least two emergency rooms and could not get the help she needed because the doctors and nurses are afraid that Ken Paxton, who has been on the FBI, that their licenses to practice and then obviously their livelihoods would be

Milton Allimadi (47:35.373)
This is 2024 we are talking. This is 2024.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:45.7)
Compromise if they provide care to this woman. So what will happen to women right now, you know, we use apps for everything They're actually women who track their ovulation and track their menstrual cycles and all of that all that information can access no more HIPAA for women you go to the doctor and they always ask you when was your last menstrual cycle you're putting that information on they want to basically have a database to track us and for what purpose So there are women who are dying who weren't even trying to get abortions who are dying

Adesoji Iginla (47:46.266)
Yep, yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (48:14.34)
because they can't get the healthcare they can, that they should have. In terms of, when we talk about bearing children as a mother of five and one who also miscarried multiple times, when you choose to have a child, it has such a profound impact on you and the choices you make, more so than the man who may have been the one who contributed the sperm. You my husband didn't have to worry about morning sickness and whether he could show up to work.

Milton Allimadi (48:41.165)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (48:41.55)
He didn't have to worry about any of the other issues that I went through. He didn't have to worry about, actually have to take time off to have this baby. And will I be hired? Will I? Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (48:48.698)
Okay. So sister, sorry to interrupt again, because this is, no, no, it's affecting me really profoundly. It's affecting me profoundly. And now I'm thinking, why is it that the Democrats did not have town hall meetings every week and have people speak the way you're speaking right now? It's just mind boggling, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (48:54.223)
You

Adesoji Iginla (48:58.712)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (49:15.425)
The most powerful short speech I heard about this issue was, they weren't by Michelle, Michelle Obama. It just resonated totally and I'm a man and it still had that profound impact. I can just imagine if people like you were speaking every week on different podium, this race might be in a different position right now. I'm not sure about it, Mike.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (49:21.284)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (49:29.95)
Impact, impact, yep, yep, yep,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (49:32.24)
So, so, so, so tell.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (49:39.706)
Brother, brother, I've been trying to speak, but this is what I tell people when I'm telling them to please donate to candidates. We have freedom of speech, but the marketplace is expensive. So I read through this because I wanted to educate myself and I've been trying to educate as many people as I can, but the marketplace is expensive. And you still have the gatekeepers, gatekeepers who really don't want people who speak the truth. They don't want people who might.

Milton Allimadi (49:50.891)
Yeah, that's true.

Adesoji Iginla (49:51.506)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (49:56.043)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (50:06.628)
quote unquote outshine them. So you have all of these issues at play here. But I know that in my community, are people who are everyday people. One of them is a teacher and she's running for state representative. She doesn't have the bandwidth, the resources to open up all these doors. And so she's having a hard time getting her message out. There are some people out there, but so for women,

Milton Allimadi (50:29.003)
Bye.

Adesoji Iginla (50:29.08)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (50:34.672)
This is not going to just take away and he said when I always always ask you when is when was america great again Can you pinpoint that time frame so I can understand what was happening to people who looked like me during that time frame And it looks like he's finally pinpointed 1798 is when we're going back

Milton Allimadi (50:49.485)
I was going to say the plantation days.

Adesoji Iginla (50:50.712)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (50:53.752)
Yeah. So at that point, yes, as a woman, you can be raped. You can be raped by your own father as a 12, 13 year old and be forced to bear that child to go through everything your body will go through and for the rest of your life and how it impacts your choices. That's what this whole project 2025 is about. The only contraceptive that they're saying they won't touch from my understanding of this will be condoms because then men control that.

But in every other way, yes, now it's abortion, but ultimately it's about women not having any power over their bodies. And it goes further. They're talking about dismantling universal health, not healthcare, childcare, and making it home-based. So women get out of the workforce and be pregnant and stay at home. They are talking about eradicating Head Start. They are talking about rolling back the Affordable Care Act.

Milton Allimadi (51:25.783)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (51:34.904)
Sounds good.

Milton Allimadi (51:35.82)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (51:41.719)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (51:47.694)
So if you are, and people say I'm pro-life, I'm like, wait a second. You need to understand this is not about pro-life. We have to use the right words. So even in that article you're reading and they were talking about right wing policy, this is not right or left wing policy. This is inhumane. Let's just call it what it is. Let's stop using nice labels. don't say what it is. You are basically wanting to put people back in a place where they can't control what happens to their bodies. They can't raise their children.

Milton Allimadi (52:02.923)
Right. No, really. It's barbarians,

Adesoji Iginla (52:07.576)
So speaking of.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (52:16.75)
They cannot access education because you want to do away with the US, US department of education and put it back in the hands of the state. What happened before when education was under just states? We had, first of all, laws that said we couldn't learn to read and write. And then finally we had separate, but equal. And then even with the integration, what did they do? They shut down schools in whole communities in states because we would rather nobody get educated.

Milton Allimadi (52:27.915)
Yeah. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (52:35.83)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (52:46.027)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (52:46.148)
than for your children to get educated as well. And we could go on, but yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (52:50.05)
So, Gon, I just want to, I mean, the next story we're gonna have would actually allow you to underscore the point you're making. So to define our story, new story, which comes from Beme Second, I believe the name of the publication is Black Star News. And yes.

Milton Allimadi (52:50.125)
Darn.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (53:11.556)
Right, there's our sister and really good joke.

Milton Allimadi (53:11.561)
Interesting. OK.

Adesoji Iginla (53:16.246)
So it says, why Black Star News endorses Kamala Harris for president? And on Tuesday, American voters will be deciding whether to elect Vice President Kamala Harris president to return a twice impeached president who have tried to overthrow the American government on January 6th, 2021 to the White House. It goes on. American presidential politics has always given us corporate control choices.

Milton Allimadi (53:21.537)
That is a good surprise.

Adesoji Iginla (53:44.012)
who will do little to fundamentally change the lives of average Americans, particularly economically. How can it do anything more than when heavy hand or big money thoroughly corrupts the process? Now for the harsh truths. Vice President Kamala Harris is part of an administration that has allowed an obvious genocide of Palestinians to occur right in front of our faces. Over the last year in Gaza, in fact, this presidential race may well have been over if Biden-Harris

had practiced the rule of law they preach and stopped Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from slaughtering so far at least 42,000 Palestinians. The most shameful thing here is both Democrats and Republicans refuse to stop Netanyahu's mass murder because of APEC's blood money bribes they pocket. History will surely find American politicians guilty of blocking international efforts to stop the genocidal

ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Somehow, while pretending to believe in the sanctity of life, American politicians continue to fund Netanyahu's indiscriminate bombing. Where's the part I was yes here? So final part. Still, we at Blackstar News know, given the existing political infrastructure, only one of two persons can become president next Tuesday. This will remain so until a stranglehold of big money is removed by the American people.

Milton Allimadi (54:58.454)
you

Adesoji Iginla (55:07.584)
As a black newspaper, our first fundamental responsibility is to the interest of black people in America, Africa, Caribbean and beyond. Since black people are the most oppressed globally and are always under the gun figuratively and literally, we do not have the luxury of choices that others have. For us, politics is a dirty chess game where decision making can't just be based on idealism. Because of this, we ask ourselves

Which of the two corporate candidates will bring more harm to black people domestically and globally? Your thoughts.

Milton Allimadi (55:38.477)
Good.

Milton Allimadi (55:46.349)
Well, I guess for our comrade sister, that's the question because those are the views I share with Colin Benderman, who drafted the editorial. So I've already answered by the editorial.

Adesoji Iginla (55:53.066)
You

Adesoji Iginla (55:58.904)
Okay, you've made your point. Good.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (55:59.504)
So can I say this? I appreciate their write-up, but this whole notion of pointing fingers at the politicians, I think is a disservice to ourselves.

Adesoji Iginla (56:14.242)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (56:16.706)
We have the power, the people do. When Citizens United, what came down, and they basically gave Cap Blanche for dark money to run politics, and the people said nothing, this was a predictable outcome where very wealthy people can pretty much buy politicians. When Roe v. Wade was overturned,

Milton Allimadi (56:30.519)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (56:34.957)
100 percent.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (56:44.216)
and women still went to work the next day and did not say, are keeping our 51%, 50.5%, whatever the percentage is. We are keeping ourselves at home until you respect our bodies and our rights. We said it was fine.

Adesoji Iginla (56:48.045)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (56:55.661)
down.

Milton Allimadi (57:01.247)
Okay.

Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (57:06.768)
with what is happening in Gaza, with what's happening in Congo, with, know, we are all on devices and I'm using my smartphone and all of that. When we see the devastation that is being caused in other places for our relative comfort, and all of us kind of say, well, I hope the politicians do the right thing, but we also don't exercise any personal courage, because I don't want to lose my little $10 an hour job or my $100,000 a year.

Milton Allimadi (57:11.447)
Done.

Milton Allimadi (57:15.053)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (57:21.932)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (57:30.383)
Thank you, Sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (57:36.78)
income. Why then do we expect these politicians to do the things we're not willing to do? The students came out and protested, you know, what's going on in Gaza, but the vast majority of us, we sat back where we were. But then you want some politician who needs this money to quote unquote be in power, to be the one that puts their neck out and will watch the neck get chopped and keep moving?

Milton Allimadi (57:43.529)
Okay, thank you sister. Sister.

Milton Allimadi (58:06.709)
Right. Okay, so here I have to run, but sister when you, no, no, but when you, when you announcing your candidacy, please make it on WBAI on our radio show before you even take it to a list. Yeah. I want you on WBAI. No, I'm not kidding. We need people like you. No, no, no, no, no. We have to, we have to really do it.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:07.012)
Come on now.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:24.72)
Brother, people like me get assassinated. That's what I'm just saying.

Milton Allimadi (58:34.049)
You know, we have to do it and you have my support and endorsement, 100%. We need to, you know. You know, somebody needs to draft people sometimes. So I'm drafting you and we can talk about it more, you know, off camera and all that. But that's what we need to do. I am a very big believer in intervening and, you know, and trying to affect change, you know. I'm a big fan of Walter Rodney because he was a

Adesoji Iginla (58:39.17)
Yep. Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:40.88)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (58:50.636)
Hmm. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (59:03.767)
brilliant academic, but he was also a brilliant activist. see? Yeah. Yeah. He actually was about to remember he was a good, he was a leader of the Working Families Alliance. And that's why they killed him. Had he just stuck to the books, he might be an 80 year old man today, you All right. But love and blessings. I have to run folks. Please continue the conversation and fill me in. Sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:09.946)
But he didn't run for office.

Adesoji Iginla (59:13.464)
It was about to, yeah. Yeah, walking party alliance. Yeah, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:15.638)
That's true.

Adesoji Iginla (59:24.627)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.

Yeah. Thank you very much for coming through. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (59:33.173)
I'm going to put you on the ballot. Yes, actually, we need to

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:33.402)
Thank you.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:37.904)
Bring your billionaire friend with you.

Adesoji Iginla (59:46.444)
Yes, so you were speaking with regards to the women's rights. Now, how would you think it will be framed in this election circle, judging by the fact that it seems to have played second fiddle to the issue of racism, wherein that should actually be the number one issue on the ballot?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:11.428)
Well, as a woman who also happens to be of African descent, I don't know that I can separate the two, right? There's that intersectionality. So I'm impacted by both. But actually in this election, we have been quiet about the racism part of it. We call it everything else, so immigration, whatever. But we're not really looking at what is fueling a lot of these policies. And so when...

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:17.846)
Hmm. Hmm. Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:35.884)
my brothers and sisters and when I say that I mean people of African descent are saying well you know it's the immigrants it's the immigrants and I'm like let's go let's let's go back and understand our history first of all how we got here under what conditions the struggle was it the immigrants that stopped us at that point now we've had times when we thought our issue was Native Americans and you know part of our history with the Buffalo Soldiers is at one point we were being used

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:45.848)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:53.537)
Nope. Nope.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:02.724)
by the white imperialist structure to go and kill off Native Americans. So understand that where you are is not because of whoever else came in. This society, this system was never designed for us to thrive. But if you can keep us looking at each other as enemies, then you can be distracted from what is really happening. So when it comes to this issue of reproductive rights, first of all, think that when people have not, a lot of this younger generation,

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:04.834)
to yeah,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:32.42)
people my age and younger, and I'm not young, have never not had access to contraceptives, reproductive rights, I mean, except maybe if you couldn't afford it, but you know what I'm saying. So when you've never been deprived of a thing,

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:41.408)
Is that fine? Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:01:49.774)
you might not even understand what it means to possibly be deprived of it. And there's this sense of, no, this couldn't happen here, or this couldn't happen to us, or no, I know they said it, but that's not what they mean. I know that's what the law says, but that's not how it's going to be put, you know, be operationalized. So here in Texas, because you know, we like to go big in Texas, there were women who I talked to before the Dobbs decision who were like,

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:57.645)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:02:16.96)
no, but they made exceptions. They made exceptions for when the mother's life is at risk and so on and so forth. And yet we have seen consistently those exceptions not be respected. In fact, the attorney general in this place in Texas, when a lower court ruled that a woman actually could get an abortion using that exception, he appealed it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court...

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:34.54)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:41.944)
.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:02:44.002)
overturned the lower court and that woman ended up having to leave the state. Now how many people have those kinds of resources? So there are women, like I just said her name, one of them, Nevaeh Crane, who just died last week because she could not get the care that she needed. And she quote unquote wasn't trying to have an abortion, but it goes beyond. But I think that there's still quite a few women who don't understand how bad this can get because they've never seen it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:50.041)
Resources, yep, yep, yep.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:09.814)
Is it? Is it?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:13.198)
There are also people who, because of the religious indoctrination, are thinking, no, this is really just about murder is bad. No one is asking anyone to be murdered. What we're saying is you have the right to make whatever decisions you want to, and other people should also have the right to their own autonomy. There are people who are saying, I have to vote the way my husband tells me to vote. There are people who really feel like we were better off when women didn't have any rights. And those are some of the people who feel like Kamala Harris just because of her gender.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:28.427)
to make. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:03:42.744)
should not be president of this country. So white women will be the deciding factor on this one. Black women we know will vote and have consistently voted for our rights in that way. Latinas to a greater degree as well, but white women are the ones who have been handing over victory to the very party that is trying to strip them of their rights. From the...

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:50.232)
Mmm.

We voted,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:08.25)
Polling that has come out so far, it looks like younger white women, educated white women, quote unquote, formerly educated white women have been going out to the polls in greater numbers. We will have to wait to see how it shakes down. But it's gonna come down to whether white women want to vote for their own autonomy or whether they want to vote for white supremacy.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:28.44)
And so one final question, and the question is this. What is the ground game for against challenges? Because we know the challenges are coming. What would be the ground game for challenges? Because you know this guy is not going to go away quietly.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:50.412)
Well, so when you talk about ground grain for challenges, we can talk about the legal ground game. But quite frankly, again, in the state of Texas and any of you who are gun enthusiasts, you can put this in the chat. Seriously, as soon as a sale goes up for guns or ammunition, like they sell out within minutes. So in my community, there are a lot of people who are hoarding. They are seriously.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:14.572)
Wow.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:19.98)
Accumulating bullets and some other things there are people ammunition There are people who are not putting signs in their yards because they're afraid of being targeted And as a mother I was actually concerned about that. i've been doing a lot of work. Knocking on doors and phone banking and raising money and all of those kind of things and I was reticent to put signs up in my neighborhood because it's very trumpian because

while I might be willing to put my life on the line, I don't want to unnecessarily expose my children. And so there are other people that are concerned. But in terms of the ground grain, we have organizations like the NAACP that have certainly set up a ton of lawyers in different states. I know that they were recruiting here in the state of Texas and beyond. And the idea is here, these numbers, if you see something, call it in.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:50.538)
on to expose your, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:03.691)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:06:13.648)
I know that Kamala Harris is on the camera Harris and slash Walt's team that they also have a cadre of their own Their own lawyers as well. And again, we do expect that there will be challenges Question is will people follow the rule of the law or will they follow again their personal opinions and white supremacy being a huge ideology? Because we look at what the Supreme Court just did in Virginia

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:22.433)
lawyers.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:06:41.872)
with the 1600 votes and following the law, those voters should have stayed on the roll and been allowed to vote. But they just flouted the law, gave no reason for it, and those voters are purged.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:58.098)
So it remains to be seen what Trump's ghetto plan is because we know his final dice roll, which is this presidential election, is to keep him away from the jail man.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:17.517)
Are you confident we will not have another January 6th?

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:27.414)
Yeah, what do you think? With regards to a possible, and as the good doctor would say, the, you know, the boy's going to town.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:07:44.804)
Well, let me ask you this and for any of our listeners, if your back is against the wall and you have absolutely nothing to lose, how would you fight?

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:52.577)
Hmm.

Coming out swinging, scratching.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:07:56.506)
So listen with whatever you have you're going to and hope something lands whatever and so Yeah, Trump is trying to stay out of Same reason that's in Yahoo is doing what he's doing over in Gaza and in Lebanon and all of that he's also trying to keep himself out of jail and and And so I absolutely expect that everything I don't expect could possibly happen. It's all on the table

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:03.384)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:07.32)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:23.605)
happen.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:24.928)
Nobody, well, I shouldn't say nobody, many of us did not anticipate, could not have imagined that a president of the United States of America would actually stage a coup. And I guess the reason why we didn't pay attention to that is because we forgot about Wilmington, because this is not the first coup that, January 6th was not the first coup that had been staged in the United States of America. So when people get very desperate, they do extremely dangerous things.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:43.0)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:54.466)
And so as far as I'm concerned, nothing is off the table. The question is, what is Biden going to do preemptively to protect this society, to protect this country? And then we know that the federal government only has so much reach. What are all the different states governors going to do as well? Here in Texas, I really don't expect Abbott to protect me.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:08.631)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:16.376)
going to do via.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:22.774)
Wow.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:23.042)
Not from everything else that they've done and so all of us need to be thinking about that And for that reason there are some of us people of faith Who yesterday the n-double a cp in my area had a prayer meeting, you know Where people just came together to pray some of us were out on a prayer walk earlier today because we're pulling everything including our faith and saying we we need all hands on deck here, unfortunately many of us still seem to be asleep and

hope they can sleep through whatever it is that happens. But I hope for the best for this nation. But again, with a man that desperate, with a man who has absolutely no moral compass in my opinion, all bets are off.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:54.274)
Well, I like.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:10.04)
I mean, to lift this chart on a positive note, I saw earlier that there was a three point lead. Kamala has a three point lead in Ohio over... Yep. In Ohio over Trump. And so...

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:10:20.624)
In Ohio? Whoa. That's where I was born, by the way, and where I went to school, where I went and I got my college education. So yeah, no Ohio well.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:29.616)
So it's a, that could be an indication of a possible landslide. So which is what I am thinking would happen a landslide, because with the early voting and majority of it, women, it's going to be a landslide. Just watch the space.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:10:48.368)
The landslide is the only thing that makes sense. you just, again, forgetting Democrat or Republican, just looking at the character of the person. however these both shake outs would really be an indication of the character of the so-called American citizen. We will see.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:57.72)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:04.024)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:07.446)
Yes, and again we've come to the end of this today's episode. My thanks to Sister Aya, the host of Rethinking Freedom. Can you tell people how to subscribe to your channel?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:22.676)
Thank you so much. Yes, we are on all wherever you can get a podcast where there is rethinking freedom. We're also on YouTube and on Monday We actually have an interview coming up with Beto O'Rourke who ran for a president at one point and was in my community helping us to get the vote out and we have We have a pretty decent sick segment on why you should vote for so for those of you who haven't voted yet Tuesday is

the last day that you can vote. And we hope that people will go out and exercise their power.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:58.26)
Again, yes, I'm Adesuji Ginla and yes, you can please subscribe to this channel, like, share and subscribe and final words, final words, your final words.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:12:09.848)
My final words, I'm going to paraphrase Alice Walker, the only people who don't exercise power are people who feel that they don't have any power. We actually do have power to create the world that we want to live in. And again, let me evoke the, you know, some words from our Native American ancestors, because this is also Native American month here in the United States of America. We do not, we do not inherit the earth.

from our ancestors, we borrow it from our future, from our children. And so what each and every one of us chooses to do today has a profound impact on the next generation. So choose right.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:51.76)
And I would like to leave on the words of the great Kwame Turei, and who says in this time, he says, organize, organize, and organize. And thank you very much for coming through, and thank you all for listening. Till next time, it's Odig Bakono.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:13:00.962)
Organize, organize, organize.