EP 10 Trump Won, Now What?! I African News Review 🌍

In this episode of African News Review, the host Adesoji Iginla with guests Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq. discuss the implications of Donald Trump's election, including the rise of racism and economic inequality. 
They explore the reactions from the business community and the potential for social upheaval in the United States, particularly among marginalized groups. The conversation also touches on the historical context of racism and the ongoing struggles faced by Black communities in America and Africa. 
The conversation delves into the historical context of social movements, emphasizing the importance of youth leadership and the lessons learned from past struggles, particularly the Black Consciousness Movement. 
It critiques the political dynamics in the U.S., highlighting the impact of foreign policy on Africa and the need for genuine political representation. 
The discussion also addresses the military-industrial complex and the necessity for communities to organize effectively against oppressive systems.

Takeaways
*The election of Trump signifies a shift in American politics.
*Racism is deeply embedded in American society, as shown by recent events.
*Economic inequality is a pressing issue that affects marginalized communities.
*The business community is reacting to Trump's policies with caution.
*There is potential for social upheaval due to rising economic pressures.
*Historical context is crucial in understanding current racial dynamics.
*The media plays a significant role in shaping perceptions of Africa.
*Community resilience is vital in the face of adversity.
*The importance of solidarity among marginalized groups is emphasized.
*The conversation highlights the need for awareness and action against systemic injustices. 
*In the 60s, social movements faced significant challenges that required immediate responses.
*Youth leadership is crucial for driving social change and mobilizing communities.
*The Black Consciousness Movement teaches us the importance of self-representation in struggles.
*Political parties often fail to address the needs of marginalized communities.
*U.S. foreign policy has historically had detrimental effects on African nations.
*Africa has been aiding the West, not the other way around.
*The military-industrial complex continues to influence U.S. foreign policy decisions.
*A genuine opposition party is necessary for meaningful political change.
*Christian nationalism poses a threat to social justice and equality.
*Communities must learn from past failures to avoid repeating them.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to African News Review
01:34 The Impact of Trump's Election
14:15 Racist Text Messages Post-Election
21:23 Business Community's Response to Trump's Policies
28:20 Potential Social Upheaval in America
32:19 Historical Context and Social Movements
35:01 Youth Leadership and Social Change
38:18 Learning from History: The Black Consciousness Movement
40:32 Political Dynamics and the Role of Parties
43:06 US Foreign Policy and Its Impact on Africa
47:15 Reframing the Narrative: Africa's Contribution
51:15 The Military-Industrial Complex and Its Consequences
54:57 The Need for Genuine Political Representation

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:01.547)
Yes, welcome. Welcome to African News Review, our weekly conversation in which we take a look at the coverage of Africa and its larger diaspora in the Western media and deconstruct the stories for you. I'm your host, Adesuji Ginla, and with me as usual is Brother Milton Alimadi, journalist, publisher of Black Star News, author of Manufacturing Hate. This book might actually come in handy now.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (00:29.525)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (00:29.537)
how Africa was demonized in the Western media. I enjoyed you to get a copy. I saw two copies on Amazon. So if you're quick enough, you might get it. yes, welcome, Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (00:37.71)
Thank you, Comrade.

Milton Allimadi (00:45.898)
Asam Tasama. Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (00:48.287)
Again, joining us this week from last week, seems folks cannot get enough of our sisters' positive and passionate vibes. She is Mrs. Aya Fubera Eneli Esquire, author of Amazon's bestselling book, Self-Love Revolution, and host of Rethinking Freedom, a YouTube channel.

and she is putting in the work as we would say. She recently did a deep dive on project 2025 on our channel which is an aspect of the news we will be delving in today. So sister you're welcome.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:27.295)
Thank you so much as my people say, thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:34.227)
Okay, and yes, the die has been cast. the United States has elected its first convicted felon as its face of the world, and to which the world looks, and I'm probably wondering what is going on here.

So, but to understand, we'll go for our first story in the Financial Times, which is the money paper of the world. And it reads, the Maga Court.

And there you see them. So it reads, nibbling on crabs, sushi, and sugar cookies, some of the richest and soon to be most powerful people in the world, waited for the election results on Tuesday night at Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump's gilded fortress on the sea.

Milton Allimadi (02:17.428)
Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (02:40.319)
At one of the tables, Trump sat with Elon Musk, the billionaire technology executive and Dana White, chief executive of the Ultimate Fighting Championship. The next day, it was confirmed that Republican has defeated Kamala Harris. Trump and Musk ate together on the terrace of the resort with Musk wearing a t-shirt of astronauts walking on the moon with Mars in the distance.

Mox wrote on X, the Latin expression for a new era is born. Before we go further, let me just get your initial take on what that means. Let's start with our guest sister, I.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (03:25.257)
So the song playing in my head now is by Wu-Tang Clan. I'm not a singer or a rapper, but there's a verse that says, cash rules, everything around me, cream, get the money, dollar dollar bill, y'all. So listen, capitalism is going to capitalize.

Adesoji Iginla (03:38.581)
Hmm, be yo yeah, yeah, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (03:39.945)
You

Milton Allimadi (03:46.172)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (03:47.372)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (03:48.181)
It's never about democracy. It's never about humanity. It's not even, it's about making money. It's about consolidating power. And while people have their eye, and justifiably so on Trump and Project 2025, we really need to be paying attention to Elon Musk, who's definitely positioned himself as the most powerful man in the world.

Adesoji Iginla (04:08.781)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (04:15.885)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (04:16.029)
with his money, with his access to Donald Trump and his ability to manipulate him. Elon Musk put in, as far as we know at this point, over $172 million into buying this election. Brother, you don't make that kind of investment without expecting a return on that investment. So what do I think about the nibbling on crab and sushi and sugar cookies?

Adesoji Iginla (04:35.127)
altruistically.

Milton Allimadi (04:37.413)
Right.

Adesoji Iginla (04:42.007)
sushi.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (04:45.501)
Well, those who are going to harvest the crabs and make the sushi and harvest the sugar cane and process it and all of that, get ready because there lots of parties to be had and you are on the menu.

Adesoji Iginla (05:02.381)
Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (05:05.713)
Yeah, well, this headline is something we actually discussed, if you remember last week. I told you, I said I had a billionaire friend whom I know who is very generous with wisdom, but has not so far demonstrated that same generosity with his money. This is almost what he said is prescient, is coming to fruition, is being materialized. He warned that

You cannot sustain a society without a middle class. He said he made his money beginning in the 1980s when there was still a middle class in this country. He said today there's only him.

and everybody else. And that graphic that you showed is showing his class. And then there's no need to discuss everybody else because they're out there. They don't qualify to be in that type of article. But if he is correct in his assessment, then it means that we will have major social upheaval going forward. The only redeeming aspect could be

Adesoji Iginla (06:04.397)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (06:17.061)
that in the next four years they will cause so much havoc in terms of cutting social programs, in terms of cutting taxes for the very wealthy, in terms of making it so hard for people that are already hard pressed that indeed there will be so much chaos on the streets that in four years time people will be

much more easier to be mobilized to throw this team out in four years' time. That's the only hopeful assessment that I can give. But in terms of everything going for the very wealthy from now on, that's already demonstrated in terms of the people who financed him, the way the sister just laid it out. And they're not going to finance you for no reason. They will come to cash.

their investments. There's going to be removal of all sorts of regulations, right? Even those that actually ensure safety on products and services. So if you have Elon Musk as pretty much your right-hand man, as his sister said, that spells trouble for any regulatory authorities going forward. So that's my initial assessment.

Adesoji Iginla (07:46.081)
Hmm. OK.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (07:48.999)
If I may add to that really quickly, because I know we have a lot of stories to cover and they all dovetail into each other.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:00.079)
Yes, it could possibly portend a social upheaval like what we haven't witnessed in the more recent history. However, I'm also looking at social media and technology and it's used to manipulate people's minds.

And what they their opinions and what then and they ultimately then act on that And in that picture that you showed if you want to scroll back up to that picture you have jd vance Who actually rose to fame writing about the poverty that he came out of He called he called himself himself his family hillbillies And yet he's in this group now also signaling, but if you play your card, right? as a hillbilly

Adesoji Iginla (08:42.889)
Yeah, they will be lose energy.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:52.211)
as a poor Negro, as a poor Latino, construction worker, whatever, you too could ascend to this. So I'm wondering if that isn't also a message that for those of you who are still struggling with poverty, it's because you haven't figured out how to play the game. Now, nevermind that there'll only be one or two seats for people like you, but if all the millions are clamoring to be that one or two, then that can potentially prevent them.

Adesoji Iginla (09:09.687)
So put.

Milton Allimadi (09:11.968)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:20.223)
from coming together. And then the other thing I would point out is where in the world have we seen people struggling under these massive inequalities and yet we have not seen that social upheaval. So I'm going to raise Nigeria as an example.

Milton Allimadi (09:22.945)
That's a good point and I'm going to add to that, but go ahead.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (09:43.143)
And I'm gonna talk about a conversation that I had very briefly with a bookseller when I was visiting in September, we were trying to buy books for a school that we are trying to support over there. Not we are trying, we are supporting, we are keeping that school going. And I'm trying to bargain with her over the prices of the things we're purchasing and she says, I'm sorry, I can't go lower than that.

And she said, you know that they just increased prices of fuel because the fuel subsidy was removed the day that I got to Nigeria. So prices skyrocketed like three times what they were overnight, literally. And and I said, when is it going to be enough? And she says, madam, we are Nigerians. We manage. And because we always figure out a way to manage, they will always be able to do this to us because we just continue to figure out how to manage.

So I'm just, I'm hopeful for this social upheaval. I'm hopeful for people realizing that they're voting against their interests. But when women did not stand up in mass after Roe v. Wade was overturned, when we still wouldn't work business as usual the next day, and then turned around in this election and voted for this person, I don't know, sirs. I don't know.

Milton Allimadi (10:54.354)
white women.

Milton Allimadi (11:04.959)
Actually, I wasn't surprised about that part. I suspected white women would stand with the European man. So that part didn't... Exactly. So that didn't shock me. But on the other issues that you raise, an economist, I believe his name was Reblen, from back in the day, maybe 1920s or 30s, wrote that this is the one country in the world where the possibility of socialism not taking strong root.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (11:12.509)
They've always done that.

Milton Allimadi (11:35.418)
is the belief by the masses that one day they can also hit the jackpot and win the lottery. They also aspire for that American dream. And that propaganda has been so effective in keeping the lid down. However, there's a limit. When this corporate and monopoly finance capital becomes too greedy, and when there are economic cycles like the great

Adesoji Iginla (11:41.645)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (12:04.605)
depression, right? That was a moment when radical parties were actually taking root. And had, I might submit, the federal government not intervened with all those social programs, this would be a very different country today in the United States. So yes, people tend to be complacent, but there arrives a limit. And these guys, this team that we just saw on that graphic,

I think are able to push this country to that limit. And then the other point, in terms of African countries, yes, we have too many complacency, too much complacency rather in many African countries. But in those settings, there are also limits. Kenya reached the limit last year when this IMF well bank imposed dictates in order to repay the loans that they took.

They are just squeezing too much out of the people. And the youth said, no, enough is enough. We have nothing to lose. And they came out of the streets. I see signs of that already beginning in Uganda. I can see that possibly happening in South Africa with Elon Musk, as we discussed last week. I think South Africa, which has been going backward since the last election with this alliance with ANC and the Democratic Alliance,

Adesoji Iginla (13:20.173)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (13:30.106)
government, I call it a government of national dysfunction. I don't think it's going to last for the entire town personally. But it actually could last now with Elon Musk and US intervention, right? They can get more capital invested so they can appease the masses a little bit more, make a lot more rich people, black elite, but they're not going to address the issues of the

Adesoji Iginla (13:44.417)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (13:59.17)
of the masses, the people represented by parties like like Julius Malema's party. So it's interesting to see how that's going to unfold in South Africa. think South Africa is going to be a

Adesoji Iginla (14:00.749)
Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (14:15.287)
So speaking of masses, we go to our next story, which is that black people in the United States have been receiving some very uncomfortable texts. And the story comes from The Guardian.

It's headlined, Black people across the US receive racist text messages after Trump's win. The FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, is investigating after people report texts saying they were selected to pick cotton and go to nearest plantation. The story is filed by Adrian R. Walker.

Just hours after Donald Trump's election win on Tuesday, black people across the US reported receiving racist text messages telling them they'd been selected to pick cotton and needed to report to the nearest plantation. While the texts, some of which were signed, Trump supporter, varied in detail, they all conveyed the same essential message about being selected to pick cotton. Some of the messages refer to the recipients by name. A spokesman for the president's elect,

told CNN that his campaign had nothing to do with the messages and it's not clear yet who is behind said messages, nor is there a comprehensive list of the people to whom the messages were sent. But social media posts indicate the messages were widespread. Black people in states including Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, the DC area and elsewhere reported receiving the messages.

The messages were sent to Black adults and students, including high schoolers in Massachusetts and New York, and students at historical Black colleges and universities, referred to as HBCUs, such as Alabama State and other schools, including one across Ohio, Clemson University. And you can see an example of what the text looked like. It says, greetings, you've been selected to be caught in a nearest plantation. ready at 12 a.m. November 13, 2024.

Adesoji Iginla (16:19.957)
sharp with your belongings and it goes into all the other nonsense. Authorities including the FBI and our turn generals are investigating the message. The FBI said to be aware. Now this is quite troubling. Constrainting the rhetoric that was around the election, pre-election. Is this something that was in the cards anyway, regardless of what the outcome of was or it's indicative of what is to come?

Sister please, you go first.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (16:55.074)
Well, Not surprised by the text messages a friend of mine her daughter received that text message. She goes to private school here in Texas What has been interesting is the response that I'm hearing back from certain people But the truth of the matter is we've been on this plantation picking cotton already There's a book that was written called the 40 million dollar slave was talking about

Adesoji Iginla (17:04.279)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:21.341)
NFL players, black NFL players. We saw what happened with Colin Karpinek. What are we talking about in terms of it doesn't have to be the proverbial, okay, now we're on a it's marked plantation and they're cotton plants and you're picking cotton. When you look at the economic gap, the wealth gap between black and white folk.

Milton Allimadi (17:22.659)
Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:47.699)
We've been on these plantations. Some of us are making enough to pay our bills, but now with some of the changes with DEI, if they have this mass firing of federal workers, it's going to hit the black community hard because there are a lot of federal workers who are black and brown people. We've never made the kind of money that we should have made given our work. We're still talking about reparations in this country.

This this text message is just them saying the quiet part out loud, but they have been I mean when the stocks have gone up for private prisons The the the elites are also saying the same thing they may not have sent a text when actually Another person that I know just got information. He happens to be latino

Milton Allimadi (18:24.463)
right.

Adesoji Iginla (18:29.602)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:43.221)
And the company that they had, they had a contract with and all of that said, Hey, our contract now is going to end at the end of 2024. We're renegotiating everything in 2025 and we don't, we no longer have to pay you what we had been paying you before. So in a lot of ways, we're going to get these text messages, whether we're paying attention to them or not. The question I have for people who look like me is what are we going to do about it? But yes.

Adesoji Iginla (18:55.063)
Wow.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (19:14.443)
I mean from the campaign stage Trump and his people said all of this you talked about a floating Island of garbage. Yeah, so this text is not surprising and anyone who is feeling outraged now, but didn't before I don't know where you've been

Milton Allimadi (19:33.462)
Okay. Yeah, I don't have anything to add to what the sister said. She captured all the most critical elements of it. I think if you're anybody surprised by that message, that person has not been living in this country and knows nothing about this country and cares nothing about this country. The only thing I can say is that personally, I have like a built-in instinct and I know that most people, African, African descendants, you know.

even if you want to deny your Africanity. I know we all have built-in instincts for self-preservation, self-protection. We know spaces where we should be. We know spaces to avoid. Whether you have the right to be there or not, sometimes your better judgment for self-preservation becomes overwhelming, and that should continue. So now, those instincts should be even much more heightened now.

Adesoji Iginla (20:25.047)
Takes over. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (20:32.205)
for the next four years, given the people who are spewing all these blatant, explicit racist rhetoric during their campaigns have been elected to the White House. It just means that that instinct for self-preservation and guarding yourself, you should just elevate it to even to the next level. That's the only thing I can add to what the sister said.

Adesoji Iginla (20:56.641)
Hmm. Speaking of good.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (20:58.754)
I'm waiting for the text message to women. Get back into the kitchen, have your babies and shut the F up.

Milton Allimadi (21:07.624)
Right. And in fact, that message is actually going to be much more powerful because they're now going to add to it that after all, he won the white women's vote. So they could not have been that displeased by what he was saying. It's just outrageous, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (21:20.077)
Mmm. Mmm.

my God. Yeah, speaking of renegotiating, apparently Trump's very presence in the White House has sent the business community jittery and to the point where they are getting their houses in order as far as tariffs is concerned. And for the next story, we go to the gray lady, the New York Times. And with it, the headline reads, which

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (21:50.321)
second men men run the New York Times why is it called the lady don't don't get us involved in your mess you guys take take all the credit for the gray man no woman running the New York Times no I'm just being facetious

Adesoji Iginla (21:56.906)
You

Milton Allimadi (22:01.47)
Right. Yeah. I know. She knows. She's just teasing, you know. This is a... Yeah, but that's a good point she makes, you know. The Grey Lady. The Grey Lady. Yeah. It's been run by white European men for decades. They've had maybe one or two women top editors.

Adesoji Iginla (22:04.119)
But in middle then you want to explain why it's called the Grey Lady?

Adesoji Iginla (22:24.269)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (22:28.511)
Editors?

Milton Allimadi (22:31.148)
no more than three or four, and this paper was founded in 1851. So I agree with her 100%. This should not shift the blame for the New York Times' many miscoverages to any great lady.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (22:36.66)
There you go.

Adesoji Iginla (22:38.838)
You

Adesoji Iginla (22:46.957)
So the headline reads, gray man, the other I live with Trump's tariffs looming business try to run from a moving target companies are filling their warehouses or looking into moving factories as the way president elects Donald Trump's day threats to impose tariffs on foreign goods. the story was filed by Anna Swanson. Rick Muscat woke up

Milton Allimadi (22:52.491)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (23:14.655)
On Monday morning after the election with an urgent task, he's got his agent in China on the phone at 4.30am Beijing time and pressed him to ask the factory how many more pairs of men dress shoes they could make before Chinese New Year at the end of January. I told them if they could make an additional 30,000 pairs, would take that. Mr. Mosca, the co-owner of a shoe company called Dead Stacks said on Thursday.

The impetus was not a sudden jump in demand for shoes, but the looming threat of steep tariffs on Chinese products. By stockpiling now, Mr. Muscat reckoned his company would avoid at least some of the levies that President Trump had promised to impose when he takes office. We're going to take whatever they can make. The election of Donald Trump is already cascading through global supply chains, where companies are grappling with his promises.

to remake international trade by raising the tariffs the United States puts on foreign products. Mr. Trump had floated a variety of plans, including a 10 to 20 % tax on most foreign products and a 60 % tariffs on goods from China that will raise the surcharge American importers pay to a level not seen in generations. There's a path here I highlight. Okay, yeah.

As we head into the second Donald Trump's term, all eyes are kind of what they plan to do. And then how will obviously impact our cost, which will impact our consumer, he said.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (24:51.687)
Let me rewrite it. As we head into a second Trump term, all eyes are kind of on what they plan to do and then how that will obviously impact our costs, which then will impact our profit. They're not concerned about the consumer. just be clear about that.

Milton Allimadi (25:03.411)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Milton Allimadi (25:08.947)
Correct. Yep. Consumers are part of the cost of production, right?

Adesoji Iginla (25:11.821)
Yes, continue. Yes. it's my, so it's your own. Okay, my understanding here, looking here is if the United States does not take, okay, let's start from here. As at present, China needs to stay at an economic growing rate of I think it's 7.9%. So if those goods

do not find their way into the American market. And you know the African market cannot absorb those products. It means the European markets will be forced to the cost. So while some people might think, electing Trump is a good thing for them, for the Americans, I mean, as in, you know, two middle fingers up, but it impacts global trade and also destabilized China.

is not good for the region as well.

you want to add.

Milton Allimadi (26:13.673)
All right, my only take on this is that this is a potential opportunity for some African countries. If some of these U.S. manufacturers can relocate to a couple of African countries that are already taking advantage of the AGOA, the Growth and Opportunity Act, that congressional legislation.

Adesoji Iginla (26:16.333)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (26:39.879)
which I don't remember how many more years is still valid before it expires. So if they can relocate within the timeline and start manufacturing from those countries, that would be a benefit for African countries. And because they need it desperately the most, I Africa's share of global trade, I forget how low it is.

Adesoji Iginla (26:43.979)
run.

Milton Allimadi (27:07.826)
probably less than 3%. Less than 3%. I think if you have time, you can look it up. But it's abysmal. So this could be an opportunity, actually, for African countries. In terms of businessmen being concerned about Trump, well, there many who are actually very happy and not concerned at all because, for example, Elon Musk is now $20 billion richer because his stock...

Adesoji Iginla (27:10.359)
Listen, I think it's about...

Adesoji Iginla (27:23.661)
industrialization.

Milton Allimadi (27:36.454)
just catapulted and went up. And many companies are in the same position. Their shares shot up dramatically. The CEOs are happy. The board is happy. The people that are going to be getting the dividends are happy. So the elite will have it good for some time. But at the same time, you cannot have an elite where the majority.

Adesoji Iginla (27:38.987)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (28:05.704)
taking such big hits, especially when you combine it with the impending cuts in social spending. I see significant upheaval within the next four years.

Adesoji Iginla (28:20.909)
When you say significant upheaval,

Milton Allimadi (28:25.081)
Okay, so for example, it could not necessarily be triggered because somebody is sitting at home and that's not how it's normally triggered and saying, you know what? I can't pay my rent. I'm going to go out to the streets. No. It normally doesn't happen like that, right? Or I'm behind in my bills. can't, you know, buy food. I'm going to go out in the streets. No. Normally, it starts with an incident like a vicious police murder.

right, of some unarmed, you know, person, like black or Latino. Those are the things that bring people out. But the people that are coming out for incidents like that are already charged up because of all those other issues. So I'm saying because all those other issues are going to become much more intensified in terms of the level of their impoverishment, they are much more likely when they come out

Adesoji Iginla (28:55.213)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (29:11.723)
Yeah, okay.

Milton Allimadi (29:24.39)
to be much more radical and inflamed than when they were coming out for those same police protests in the past. So that's how it normally happens.

Adesoji Iginla (29:31.851)
Okay. Okay. And

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (29:34.933)
So you're just, comrade, you're just saying we are reaching an inflection point. We did not reach it with George Floyd, which was an international response at some point, in some places more than others. But you're saying that even that did not get us quite to that inflection point, but you think now this is what is gonna tip us over? Because what I keep thinking is we get to that point.

Milton Allimadi (29:50.361)
Yes.

Yes.

Milton Allimadi (29:59.811)
Right, I think that one...

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:03.945)
We protest, I mean, I remember my community and there was an impromptu gathering, probably had, would say at least 3,000 people there, black people mostly, but others as well. And then come to election time, it was like, hey guys, can we get some people to help knock on doors and so on and so forth? And we couldn't find 50 people.

Milton Allimadi (30:16.771)
Yes.

Milton Allimadi (30:28.3)
Right. OK.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:30.169)
So you're you're saying this time around they are gonna put so much pain And they're not going to see okay So there are these rats that I used to hear about in Nigeria I never encountered them personally and someone who's scientifically inclined can maybe put this in the chat if it's true or not But they said there are these rats who? They have something in their saliva or whatever where Okay as they're biting you

Adesoji Iginla (30:43.723)
God. Lucky you.

Milton Allimadi (30:54.946)
We have those rats in Uganda, We have them, too.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:59.529)
that they're biting you and eating your body, they're numbing that area as well. So you can sleep through being eaten, having body parts being nibbled and eaten by a rat. And I think what the elite, not I think, I know what the elite have been very good at doing is giving us these panaceas that temporarily just calm us down. And so we had George Floyd and everybody, not everybody, some people were up in arms.

Milton Allimadi (31:04.44)
Yep, we have them.

Milton Allimadi (31:12.483)
Right.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (31:29.321)
And then they gave a few dollars here and there and there. We don't know where the dollars went. We don't see all the DEI programs and things that they came up with. All the wonderful, you know, commentary has disappeared in less than four. In fact, we went all the way back. Now we don't care about police brutality. So it is your belief that this time around, we're going to hit that inflection point because I'm not sure about that. Okay.

Milton Allimadi (31:29.571)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (31:45.252)
Right.

Milton Allimadi (31:49.42)
Right. No, sister, actually, ironically, ironically, we're on the same page. I'm not even arguing or debating that. We're on the same page of that. Because the alternative would be to say that there will never be an inflection point. Our people will never become conscious. Our people will never struggle. Our people will never, ever say enough is enough. That's the alternative. And I'm just saying, even though I agree with everything you just said, I'm not willing to lose faith in our people.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (32:02.792)
Got you.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (32:12.755)
hear you.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (32:18.001)
give up. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (32:19.469)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (32:19.82)
In the 60s, there were some inflection points in the 60s and they had to scramble around and do some things to calm down the masses. 68, when you had all those fires in the cities in the United States, they calmed down the people. They did the Kerner Commission and all that stuff. Progressively, at some point, I believe they're going to be faced with a moment

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (32:39.647)
I'm eating.

Milton Allimadi (32:49.057)
and they're going to have a person like Trump who may not see the need to calm down the masses. And that's when we'll have the serious problem. That's what I'm saying. But I'm not disagreeing that our people have been too complacent for too long.

Adesoji Iginla (32:55.447)
blockade to them.

Mmm.

Adesoji Iginla (33:04.801)
Hmm. So.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (33:07.266)
And as someone in the chat said, we now have social media revolutionaries. If I share enough things on social media, I've done my part.

Milton Allimadi (33:13.847)
Yes!

Milton Allimadi (33:17.611)
I've done my part, but here's my response to that. People did come out to the streets during George Floyd. They did come out. And the system did what they did in terms of what Walter Rodney said. The system always finds answers. What were their answers? To make all these promises, right? Start making pledges. I doubt if, I don't even know, somebody should go back and look at how many percentage of those pledges were actually honored, right?

Adesoji Iginla (33:25.773)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (33:25.961)
They did.

Adesoji Iginla (33:32.45)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (33:37.015)
Been a lo-

Milton Allimadi (33:47.203)
So things died out and we go back to business as usual. The only thing I'm saying is that, and this is where I go to that wealthy billionaire who said, they think they can always keep the lid down. Those were his words. But that's going to reach a point where they will no longer be able to keep the lid down. And I think I agree with him. And this is a person with vested interest in the system.

Adesoji Iginla (33:53.738)
Hmm

Adesoji Iginla (34:16.224)
You

Milton Allimadi (34:16.822)
You know?

Adesoji Iginla (34:19.103)
So you said it's more than likely that it's a mass of people, not anyone from the billionaire class that would push against the status quo. So it has to be from the outside, not from within. Because usually the crack starts from within. It will start from someone within the inner circle saying, I think we've gone too far, as opposed to someone from the outside.

Because how do you know what the stop is? How do you know when you need to push? If you understand what I'm asking.

Milton Allimadi (35:01.631)
No, I don't. Clarifying.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (35:02.869)
Let's say the psyche of the billionaires is to maintain the status quo. And we see that with Mark Cuban, who was very critical to his, you know, I'll give him some respect for that. He was very critical of Trump and very pro-Kamala. But bruh, it didn't take how many minutes? A couple hours? He's like, hey, we know ourselves. Forget what I was saying. We understand ourselves.

Adesoji Iginla (35:04.072)
Okay, so.

Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (35:11.938)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (35:24.982)
Duke, I'll got you later.

Milton Allimadi (35:29.473)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (35:32.711)
Let's work.

Milton Allimadi (35:34.272)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (35:35.415)
So what we're saying is, I mean, excusing Brother Milton's very wise

Milton Allimadi (35:41.65)
Let me try to introduce another element and see if this works. In South Africa, right?

Adesoji Iginla (35:44.845)
You

Okay.

Milton Allimadi (35:49.864)
In the 60s at some point, you had European liberals leading the march against apartheid, correct? When all the ANC leadership had been either exiled or locked up, right? Yet the people who were willing and could make change were the youth. Why were they not coming out to the streets? Black consciousness. Because they were in the background saying, these European liberals

Adesoji Iginla (35:57.483)
Yep, correct.

Adesoji Iginla (36:01.707)
True. True.

Milton Allimadi (36:19.506)
are pushing the fight for us. They have rage at the system, even though they were not the ones feeling the pain. And that's where Steve Biko made the significant difference. He said, no, why should you be leading our fight for us? We are the victims. We need to lead our struggle. He founded a new organization, right? Very small in the beginning, but they were in control.

Adesoji Iginla (36:30.112)
Okay.

Adesoji Iginla (36:41.143)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (36:46.195)
the black students were in the leadership of that organization. And it triggered, it became very widespread because everybody was feeling the way he was feeling. Black consciousness started mobilizing in a very different way. People started coming out in the streets. People that were never coming out in the streets before. At a very high cost, of course. Led ultimately to the Soweto massacre, right? So I'm saying there's a possibility that

Adesoji Iginla (37:04.717)
Hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (37:09.653)
I throw it. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:10.451)
Yes, yes.

Milton Allimadi (37:15.069)
business as usual, even amongst the people who are suffering, the organizers, the movement leaders, that there could be change. Somebody could say, so the movement for black lines, we mobilize so many other people. We come out sometimes in mass numbers, but do we have a political agenda that challenges the system? And if the answer is no, maybe somebody else would come and say, this is what we need to do. And that's somebody could ignite a new following, you see?

Adesoji Iginla (37:18.455)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (37:40.502)
OK.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:40.597)
I'm so glad.

I'm so glad you...

Milton Allimadi (37:45.191)
I think circumstances dictate new leadership.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (37:48.917)
I'm so glad you're making this point because for me as I as I try to understand and study our history I'm trying to learn what what worked How was it squashed and what lessons do we learn from that as we move forward? so if you talk about Steve Biko and the black consciousness movement and You said it was widespread, which it was at some point then what happened? How was it quashed?

What can we learn from that? So as we create 2.0, 3.0, whatever version of it it is, we are learning from our past because our oppressors are constantly fine tuning what they're doing as well. But I don't think that we often sit down to do that if you want to call it post-mortem to figure out, where did we get caught up and what will we do differently?

Milton Allimadi (38:24.52)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (38:31.757)
Sure.

Milton Allimadi (38:35.976)
We don't. We do not.

Milton Allimadi (38:44.255)
I agree with you 100%. We do not. And I recommend Rodney's lecture, Crisis in the Periphery Africa and the Caribbean. It's on YouTube and he starts off by saying the system always finds answers. When will we find answers? And that is the question that you're posing. And I agree with you. We don't find answers. We have a Thomas Sankara come, Bukina Faso, revolutionary.

Adesoji Iginla (38:50.733)
It's at the periphery.

Adesoji Iginla (38:58.355)
It would. Yep. Yep.

Milton Allimadi (39:12.414)
starts to change things in the right direction and is killed by so-called deputy at the intervention, instigation of imperialism. And then look where Burkina Faso is today. So they eliminate one person, everything unravels completely. Here in the US, young revolutionaries like Fred Hampton, assassinated, things unravel like that. So we need to, I agree with you, find ways.

Once we see that we've found a path, the correct path, how do we keep that sustainable, even if a few of the leaderships are eliminated? And that's always been the challenge.

Adesoji Iginla (39:55.575)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (39:57.241)
I think someone gives us some information that we might want to look at and that is Ella Baker. Ella Baker was definitely not about you just have one head, so to speak. And of course they cut off that head, everything dies. But we might want to go back and look at her model and how she was teaching young people and also understand how patriarchy helped to like.

undercut her and what she was trying to do because it was threatening. There's so many lessons, but if we don't learn the lessons, we're gonna keep repeating our failures, unfortunately.

Milton Allimadi (40:23.89)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (40:32.553)
Speaking of not...

Milton Allimadi (40:33.253)
No, Which goes to the whole issue. I'm sorry, go ahead brother.

Adesoji Iginla (40:37.961)
No, go on, go on, go on, go on, because I was...

Milton Allimadi (40:39.909)
No, no, because I know you have a few articles to cover too, so if you keep, we'll never get to the next one. Well, I was going to say, which goes to the whole issue of the Democratic Party as well, because it enjoys the privilege of being the automatic opposition default, right? So you're opposed to the Republican Party, the explicit, blatant, obnoxious racism.

Adesoji Iginla (40:45.055)
No, make your submission.

Adesoji Iginla (40:53.122)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (41:09.008)
that they wear and carry proudly on their shoulders, they display it openly, without any fear, because they say that, well, and on the other hand, the Democratic right say, are they really going to go and embrace the Republican Party with their explicit racism? The answer is no. So we don't have to yield on this and that and that when it comes to dealing with the Black or the African agenda.

And that's a problem as well. There needs to be a way to break that cycle, that dichotomy. And is it the possibility of growing and nurturing a true representative party? No matter how long it takes, are we going to be permanently locked in that dichotomy? That the default of not wanting to support the Republicans is to embrace the Democratic Party.

Adesoji Iginla (42:06.989)
Democrats, but you're okay. mean, Europe has learned our lesson from its 1930 experience to the point where, even if it means you only have two representatives in the House, you still have that voice that people can listen to. And then in course of time, you gather momentum and you build a more broader coalition or even capture power.

as is the case in Holland where some of the most, what's the word, the most fringe parties, although not fringe in the sense that they're right-wing, but community-based parties, actually in government. So it might be a model that the United States might want to look at. So speaking of not learning from past experiences, we go to Al Jazeera for our next story, which is...

Milton Allimadi (42:49.115)
You're right.

Adesoji Iginla (43:05.005)
that with Trump win, Africa braces for US aid cuts or uncertainty, but it could force African nations to double down on their shifts from US towards Asia and the Middle East, says analysts. Lamu, Kenya, as the results of the United States presidential election came in on Wednesday, showing that former president Donald Trump had won

relief took hold in more than 11 kilometers, several miles away in Uganda's capital Kampala. The sanctions are gone, the East African country parliamentary speaker, Anita Among, told parliament, hinting at our expectations of immediate improved ties with the U.S. under Trump. The speaker is one of a series of Uganda officials who had been barred from entering the United States in recent years.

because of allegations of human rights violations against them. Four days after Trump's reelection, Africa is grappling with the prospects of what his second term could mean for the continent. His win over Kamala Harris drew immediate congratulations from African leaders, Egypt's Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Ethiopia's Abiy Ahmed, Nigeria's Bola Tinumbu, and South Africa's Sarah Ramaphosa, amongst others.

were those quickly to quickly reach out to Trump. I mean, when I was reading the story alone, just, the story writes itself. It's like, show me your friends and I'll tell you who you are. It's like, you know, but sister, over to you.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (44:55.033)
What else you want me to say? I Think Kim Kimberly in the chat asked I'm gonna paraphrase because I can't find the question to meet. she says what does the USA look like to the world Trump being president? What does the USA look like to African leaders Trump being president? I think some of our African leaders are feeling really good He represents everything that they represent

Adesoji Iginla (44:56.306)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:24.071)
We're going to strong-armed people. We're going to disrespect folk We're going to pad our pockets and guess what now america can't even preach to us Anything about demar he's a 34 time convicted felon adjudicated physical sexual assaulter, I mean all of this stuff so

Milton Allimadi (45:24.823)
You're right.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:46.073)
Now it's like everybody come out and do whatever you want America has no no no foundation on which to judge anybody But what further does this mean? Yes, people are going to just like we see the Billionaire is doing here They're going to settle up to slide up and want to be his friend They're going to allow themselves to be manipulated For the chance to come tomorrow. I'll go and take pictures and and and with the big America, you know

Adesoji Iginla (46:14.423)
Play golf?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:14.697)
Great again, they might beg him to come to Africa and make Africa great again We definitely are going to see this Christian nationalism and Christian fascism Imposed on Africa through this USAID So it's not just going to be the cuts and let me just put it this way the other side did it as well in terms of tying their age to their particular values the the Trump administration is going to do it again, so

I don't think that this portends well for Africans who do want to be free. I think it further shackles us and I'm not sure that it is going to bring about, we can talk about, yes, maybe we can move manufacturing to get some companies to move manufacturing to Africa. Just for me, another form of neocolonialism, if we're not the ones who own those manufacturing entities, building that technology for our people.

It's just another form of neocolonialism. That's my take on this.

Adesoji Iginla (47:13.367)
Comrade B. Milton.

Milton Allimadi (47:15.597)
So first of all, the headline goes with that old trope that Africa gets aid from the West. It's complete nonsense. Africa does not get aid from the United States or from the West. It is the other way around. It is Africa that has been aiding the United States and Western Europe from the era of enslavement. That was massive aid, correct, at a very high cost to Africans.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:24.327)
Yep. Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:31.401)
you

Milton Allimadi (47:45.576)
during colonialism, that was massive aid, injections of free labor resources, and then a captured market for their products. And that is a system that maintains up to date. We are still giving them aid. Anybody can go back and calculate and come up with a number of the billions of dollars in aid that Africa gives to the United States, to the West, and to China and many other countries.

Because when they steal our products at practically for free, negligible, the amount that they pay for it is negligible compared to its true value and compared to relative to, they then use our products to, quote unquote, manufacture. They just run it, the same thing, through factories and sell it back to us at prices that are exponentially 10, 20, 50 times the value of what we sold.

Adesoji Iginla (48:26.903)
You

Adesoji Iginla (48:36.717)
Mmm.

Milton Allimadi (48:44.084)
to them or what they stole from us. So that narrative has to end. Al-Jazeera is normally very progressive compared to all the other major corporate media. So they need to get away from this nonsense that these countries are actually aiding Africa. It is the other way around. Once Africa stops aiding all these countries, that's when development will start occurring in Africa. And the second point I'd also like to make, people should remember that some of the most

costly bloody wars that have killed so many Africans, like in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, in South Sudan, in Sudan, in Rwanda, either initiated during Democratic administrations in the White House or continued and escalated during Democratic Party administration. So to me, doesn't necessarily translate that a Trump presidency is going to be

much worse for Africa than it's already been under the Democratic Party administration.

Adesoji Iginla (49:48.621)
Okay, I also like to add to answer Kimberly's question. Actually, there is an article on the internet. It's titled, The New Colonialism. It's penned by Mark Curtis under waronwants.com. Waronwants.com. It's titled, The New Colonialism. It gives you a breakdown country by country what they gave up to...

the West in terms of raw materials and what they got back in terms of aid. I'll give you an example. essentially Britain, the development departments, you know, issues out this bulletin every year and Britain's aid to the world is about, to Africa in total is about 25 million, the department of aid. And in this article, million, million.

Milton Allimadi (50:40.998)
Million or billion? my god, that's like peanuts.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (50:42.012)
million.

Adesoji Iginla (50:46.221)
And in this article, in this article, all the companies that are based in Africa, extracting resources from Africa, even in Western Sahara, that disputed territory took out a total in the year 2017, £198 billion. That's B, a capital B. So,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (51:09.375)
billion pounds.

Milton Allimadi (51:15.047)
There you go.

Adesoji Iginla (51:16.023)
You

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (51:16.516)
poor Africans.

Milton Allimadi (51:18.77)
Yeah, yeah, so that's one of the things we need to start challenging. These false narratives, you know, and the words they use.

Adesoji Iginla (51:26.157)
And there's another point I wanted to add with regards to Trump in particular. is whispers making around that Trump is anti-war or everything. There was a report issued by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism based in the UK here, which says Trump revoked Obama's rule on reporting on drone strikes. So the CIA

under Obama had to declare what they did with regards to drone strike. So he revoked that 2016 executive order. Trump in his first two years alone, yeah, signed off on 2,243 drone strikes. We're not counting collateral drama. That is just for those drones to go out and pop people. So if they pop villages, pop families, it doesn't really matter. And that beats

Obama's in eight years, 1878. So in two years alone, the guy surpasses what Obama did in the entire eight years.

Milton Allimadi (52:39.396)
Yes, but let's forget what Obama did to Libya.

Adesoji Iginla (52:42.045)
Libya yeah I mean yes yes but you know so to to

Milton Allimadi (52:45.525)
That was colossal compared to, you know, what... And you know what?

You know, you... And of course, we are telling you the reasons why we are totally opposed to his presidency, Trump's presidency, and the outcome of this election. At the same time, I said, my position always been, my default is not to compare and say, what did the Democrats do? Were they much better? No, the Democrats were very destructive when it comes to Africa and warfare. The whole...

Adesoji Iginla (53:14.797)
Do it,

Milton Allimadi (53:22.932)
of West Africa, Northern Africa, Central Africa has now been impacted by the destruction of the Libyan state under a democratic administration. And also the second thing, look at how much money the Democrats have sent to Ukraine. Billions of dollars while social programs are being cut, particularly in communities that are most impacted, communities of color. So I totally oppose that as well. And if he's going to insist that Ukraine

Adesoji Iginla (53:30.509)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (53:49.846)
and Russia get behind the table and negotiate an end to that war, I support that, absolutely.

Adesoji Iginla (53:56.739)
I mean, the thing is, American policy, regardless of the United States sitting president, rolls on. The military machine industrial company, you will get you to do something, one way or the other.

Milton Allimadi (54:03.636)
Exactly. Imperialism and militarism. Yep. And ironically, it was a Republican president who warned about the military-industrial complex, Eisenhower. And if anybody has not heard that speech, it's on YouTube, you know. He said the military-industrial complex is going to capture the U.S. And exactly that's what happened, you know.

Adesoji Iginla (54:30.199)
So yeah, we're coming to the close of this week's episode of African News Review. And Sister Aya, any famous last words? Hopefully we get you on maybe just after he takes power and begin to see what begins to unfold in terms of the space.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (54:57.683)
Yeah, so I'm not caping for either the Republicans or the Democrats. I'm caping for our common humanity. I'm caping for the liberation of African peoples. And what I see with one of the biggest dangers of this particular incoming regime is the Christian fascism. And when we look at Christian nationalism or Islamic nationalism, when we look at any of these religious

Adesoji Iginla (55:19.182)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (55:22.978)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (55:27.189)
formations across the world, they have never been kind to people. So whether we talk about Francoises in Spain 1939 to 1975, whether we talk about Nazi Germany, whether we talk about Mussolini, whether we're looking at the current Russian Federation and the Russian Orthodox Church, whether we look at the Taliban.

Milton Allimadi (55:29.101)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (55:41.325)
Cool.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (55:55.091)
Whether we look at Iran, whether we look at even Pakistan or Sudan, what you find is the masses of people being impoverished, being crushed. What we find is women going back in time and losing their rights and their liberties. And that is my, one of the biggest concerns. And you know, in terms of some quote unquote good that they may do or whether he goes and stopped this war in Ukraine or not. I'm going to end with this.

I have a rooster. have some other, I have hens, but I also have one rooster. He's a bully. I'm not trying to raise chicken. I raise the chicken just for the eggs, right? So I'm not trying to have the eggs fertilized and more chicks hatch and all of that, because I don't have a farm yet. This rooster is loud. He's brash. I think he's a bully. I am currently feeding that rooster very well. And the rooster likes me.

But I'm feeding that rooster because I am fattening that rooster up for my Kwanzaa celebration. So when I look at Trump and any incidental thing that he may do that may be beneficial somehow to people, I'm looking at what the intent is of this sociopath, the psychopath. And it is not for your good. You may be getting something in the interim, but like my rooster,

Milton Allimadi (56:59.381)
Yep.

Adesoji Iginla (57:15.981)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (57:20.115)
Your end is near. So if that rooster was smart, the next time I let him out, he might just fly over the fence and take his chances out there. But right now he's very happy being fed by me and we need to be very careful as a people. And it's time to organize for real. It really is time to organize across borders. The time is now.

Milton Allimadi (57:27.207)
It fled.

Adesoji Iginla (57:36.545)
Don't be roosters. Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (57:43.243)
Yeah, and thank you, Brother Milton.

Milton Allimadi (57:47.487)
Yeah, I think to me when I look back, the saddest realization is that we are a captive.

of the two-party system, the Republicans and the Democrats, and the late Julius Nyerere was correct in 1985 when he said the United States and the rest of the world would be a much better place if the U.S. a genuine opposition party. said both of them are imperialist and both of them are capitalist, and therein lies the major problem. None of them can address the serious social issues that our communities are really

Adesoji Iginla (57:56.397)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (58:24.328)
be deviled with. The vision is not the vision that we actually aspire to, to be honest with you.

Adesoji Iginla (58:30.055)
Mm. Well,

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:31.849)
Wu-Tang Clan, cream, cast rules, everything around me.

Adesoji Iginla (58:37.387)
Well, I would end with the words of Tomo Sankara when he said, who feed you control you. So people, try not to be roosters.

And yeah, so we've come to the end and thank you all for coming through. And again, I have to extend my warm regards to Brother Milton and Sister Aya for coming through today in spite of the sorrow mood in your part of the world. We're looking, but we hope for the best. We hope for the best. And thank you for coming through.

Milton Allimadi (59:17.47)
Thank you, brother.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:18.261)
Thank you. Thank you for the invitation.

Adesoji Iginla (59:18.669)
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