EP 7 Venezuela’s Maduro Kidnapped?, Kenyans Seek Justice and Somaliland Quest I African News Review 🌍

In this conversation, Host Adesoji Iginla, alongside guests Milton Allimadi and Aya Fubara Eneli Esq, delves into the complexities of sovereignty, military interventions, and the role of media in shaping public perception following the U.S. kidnapping of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

It highlights historical comparisons, the impact of colonial legacies of the British with its British Army Training United Kingdom Base in Kenya, and the local peoples’ ongoing struggles for accountability in gender-based violence.

The discussion also touches on geopolitical dynamics, particularly regarding the recognition of Somaliland and the implications of land use policies in Tanzania, emphasising the need for African nations to reclaim their narratives and assert their sovereignty.

Takeaways

*The media often misrepresents military interventions as acts of liberation.
*Foreign military actions frequently undermine sovereignty.
*Historical parallels can provide insights into current geopolitical issues.
*The role of gender-based violence in military contexts is often overlooked.
*International laws are essential for maintaining global order and accountability.
*Recognition of new states can lead to increased tensions in the region.
*Colonial legacies continue to affect modern governance and land use policies.
*Public perception is shaped by media narratives, which can distort reality.
*Grassroots movements are crucial for challenging oppressive regimes.
*Engagement in international politics requires a nuanced understanding of history.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Context of the Discussion
02:32 U.S. Intervention in Venezuela: Analysis and Implications
05:12 Media Representation and Public Perception
08:04 Historical Parallels: Colonialism and Sovereignty
10:38 The Role of International Law and Agreements
13:33 Kenya's Military Agreements and Historical Context
16:13 The Future of African Sovereignty and Governance
19:00 Concluding Thoughts and Call to Action
33:43 Historical Context of Black American Soldiers
37:56 Erasure of Black Contributions in History
44:06 The Fight for Recognition and Equity
48:08 Somaliland's Controversial Independence
58:41 Colonialism and Land Displacement in Tanzania

Transcript

Adesoji Iginla (00:02.238)
Yes, greetings, greetings, greetings and welcome to another episode of African News Review. I am your host at SOG Gingler and with me as usual are two brilliant minds to help understand the news as it were. Beginning with sister is Ayafubara Enelia Square, author Kwanzaa A Celebration, host Rethinking Freedom and co-host of

Milton Allimadi (00:13.9)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (00:31.122)
Women and Resistance. The gentleman needs no further introduction, we shall do him his dues. He is host, Black Star News, WBAI 99.5, FM New York, Offer of Manufacturing Hate, the motivating book for this program, and he is none other than Comrade Milton Adimadi. Welcome, Comrade.

Milton Allimadi (00:57.273)
Thank you.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00.126)
Well, if I ask the question, news where you're at, we'll probably give the same answer. So who wants to go first? OK. Let's.

Milton Allimadi (01:15.502)
We're both good. I think I started last week, so sister, go ahead.

Adesoji Iginla (01:20.508)
Okay, let's defer to the sister. Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:23.461)
Well...

think some of us were awake through it, some of us woke up to it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:30.56)
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Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:35.663)
Historically, how do we characterize this when we claim we have sovereign nations and another entity, because they are militarily more powerful, can go in under whatever pretexts and attack another nation and extract, kidnap,

Adesoji Iginla (01:53.312)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (01:59.904)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:00.465)
the leader, whether you argue that it's rightful leader or not, that is up to the people of that land to work out their situation. And.

Adesoji Iginla (02:05.704)
I think.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:12.935)
create trumped up charges, pun intended, and fly the person into your own country, charging them largely with the same charges that you just pardoned somebody else for, another convicted, yeah. While you yourself are a 34th time convicted felon,

Adesoji Iginla (02:16.256)
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Milton Allimadi (02:17.866)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (02:30.784)
Yeah, sure, you can. To Eugene Carow.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:44.751)
adjudicated sexual assaulter, can I use that term? And have not paid what you owe.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (02:57.917)
And all of this is being normalized by not just the US press, but by leaders all across this globe. I guess the power of gumball diplomacy now called nuclear codes, perhaps.

Adesoji Iginla (03:12.852)
Hmm

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (03:20.893)
So here in Texas, let me do what we're supposed to do address the news in Texas. We did have protests in our major cities in Dallas and in Austin. And of course you did have people on both sides. I don't know how we're still both siding things like this, but largely the Republican so-called leaders in our state.

Adesoji Iginla (03:39.66)
Mm. Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (03:47.837)
declared this was an amazing show of American force and Trump is doing great things across the world and restoring peace. Nevermind that this human being, because I will be generous and not call him anything else than that, less than that, has bombed eight countries in under.

Adesoji Iginla (03:59.744)
Wow. A very peaceful person.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (04:12.635)
Yeah, okay. Yeah, and under 12 months of being in office this time around. Yes, very, very peaceful, very anti-war, very, yeah, he's definitely candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, which by the way, he is not going to put that woman in place because you got the prize over him. And people who don't study this man don't understand. You keep thinking he's going to be on your side.

Milton Allimadi (04:31.24)
done.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (04:39.781)
and that your interests are the same. But no, Trump's interests are Trump's interests. Let's not even get into Rubio. I'm gonna stop there so Comrade can talk because I know we have other articles we need to cover.

Milton Allimadi (04:53.449)
Okay, so let me just augment what you presented, which is all correct. The other side is, it seems very apparent to me after like, what, 12, 24 hours now, that there was a prearrangement with the government in Venezuela. And some elements point that to me. Number one, no military casualties from the Venezuelans.

Adesoji Iginla (05:00.017)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (05:23.323)
or from the Americans. That is not possible in a genuine operation if you have soldiers that are actually protecting you. At least some shots would be fired in his defense. That's number one. Number two, the fact that he was taken together with his wife, highly very suspicious to me. And then of course, the most important fact is that the vice president, Delci Rodriguez,

is now the president. I don't buy this, that you can have a genuine military operation and you only take the president, you don't take out the vice president, you don't take out the minister of defense, you don't take out the minister of internal

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (06:07.665)
Yeah, the whole infrastructure is basically in place.

Milton Allimadi (06:10.97)
Absolutely, the entire government is there. So that suggests to me that there was a prearrangement. Yes, it's still forcing this president out, but I think they spoke and the U.S. and the Venezuelan government said, okay, this is an acceptable deal. They saw it as something they could live with. Maduro was not going to voluntarily go into exile and be seen as a coward. He would rather be, quote unquote, captured.

Adesoji Iginla (06:11.38)
Yep.

Milton Allimadi (06:40.262)
by the U.S. I think the indictment is very flimsy. I don't see how he will be convicted. And even if he is convicted, I see something happening. the most, he would serve the remainder of terms of Trump's three years remaining in power. And whoever is the next president, I think he would be released, if at all he is, quote unquote, convicted on these bogus charges.

It's very similar to the strike on Iran when the US went and they hit the nuclear facility and Trump said it was a beautiful, successful strike. And Iran also said, yes, it was very destructive. They destroyed everything. It was too convenient. Iran said, I can live. Sorry.

Adesoji Iginla (07:19.38)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (07:29.653)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (07:32.151)
How do you compare or contrast this with our state?

Milton Allimadi (07:38.448)
Aristide, okay, Aristide, unfortunately, the entire government collapsed when they kidnapped him. And of course, Haiti has never recovered from that chaos of today. That was a key difference, I think. Yeah, it was much more chaotic and much more destructive for Haiti. In this case, I don't think because if you, Trump, think the Trump people didn't want to do what

Adesoji Iginla (07:52.266)
Mm-hmm.

Milton Allimadi (08:07.397)
Obama and Clinton did in Libya. You want the oil, but if the country is too damaged, then nobody can get the oil, including the state.

Adesoji Iginla (08:14.932)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I mean.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (08:18.557)
So the reports of 150 US aircrafts, was that just a show of force unnecessarily by the United States of America to send a message to other entities if this was a pre-arranged setup? The contrasting reports of...

which is still a low number, but 40 military and civilian people being killed during this.

Milton Allimadi (08:48.951)
No, that's real. They only see that as collateral damage, unfortunately.

Adesoji Iginla (08:53.256)
Yeah, yeah,

Milton Allimadi (08:54.956)
and they'll pay compensation for that and they'll move on. It's like a cynical world we live in, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (09:04.584)
OK, I mean, we're supposed to be a news analysis program. And so what jumped out at me immediately was the role the press played in the entire episode. And so I have a series of headlines, and I want both of you to give me your take on what you read into such headlines. So first was Maduro in custody at UN detention center after capture.

during US strikes on Venezuela. That's the BBC. US strikes Venezuela and captures Maduro. Trump says, CBS, photos show handcuffed Maduro escorted by DEA administrator. That's the ABC News. How the US attacked on Venezuela and the abduction of Maduro plays out. Al Jazeera. World reacts.

to US strikes on Venezuela. That's from Reuters. And Hancofft Maduro says, happy new year, Sky News. Venezuela president Maduro captured deals blow to Iran, Fox News. And finally, Maduro arrives in New York after capture in Venezuela, NBC News. What's your take on those headlines?

Milton Allimadi (10:29.695)
Okay, I'm only interested in the one and unfortunately for Fox, it's a premature celebration when it says it's blow to Iran. I mean, obviously that's something they're also probably coordinated with the US government, maybe with Rubio. Because still, of course, they're sending signals to Cuba, they're sending signals to Iran as well. I think if...

Adesoji Iginla (10:32.096)
Yeah.

OK. Mm.

Milton Allimadi (10:59.529)
Netanyahu could not convince Trump to go in with ground troops in Iran, it's highly unlikely that he's going to attempt again. The pretext is not there right now. At least at that time, we're saying, okay, we're defending, we're helping to defend Israel against this nuclear, I mean, a missile attack from Iran.

Adesoji Iginla (11:18.213)
Okay. Okay. Okay, sister.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (11:30.737)
feel like responding to what their headlines are is me just buying into the BS. Can we talk about the deeper issue here? When have we seen this before? Are we or maybe we never left colonialism? This idea that if I am quote unquote a stronger nation, I can go in and do whatever I want. Let us not disregard

Adesoji Iginla (11:31.648)
OK. Mm. Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (11:58.523)
He's very, mean, this guy is not even nuanced. He's not trying to, hide anything is like, we're going to go there. We're going to control the oil. We're going to decide what happens. That's exactly what he said. We're going to make a lot of money. He said the same thing for the deal that he signed in Africa. mean, it's, it's so like, let's just be very clear that this man wants to be a world dictator.

Adesoji Iginla (12:23.814)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (12:26.353)
He has access to nuclear weapons. has a bunch of cowards, including all of us who are part of the voting block, part of the voters in the United States of America. Because for anyone listening right now, who has sent an email, who has picked up the phone and contacted any of their elected officials to voice a complaint about what is happening? It's our taxpayer dollars. And while we are...

Adesoji Iginla (12:47.604)
or I was going to say.

Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (12:56.605)
I mean, no one is talking about how much this operation costs versus the fact that people have just lost health care this month in the United States of America. went yesterday to pick up my mother's eye medication that she absolutely has to have so that she doesn't go blind. Co-pay $540 for one medication for 90 days. Okay? And so...

Adesoji Iginla (13:07.232)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (13:18.014)
unbelievable. Outrageous.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (13:21.701)
I don't want to get into the nonsense that the media is talking about in their stupid headlines because they are bigger and deeper issues here. Where else is this man going to attack and to what aim and how are we, those of us who claim we love humanity, how are we going to get beyond our individual interests and actually come together?

Whether you listen Maduro was not a good guy. Do not hear that I am supporting him But if we're going to have sovereignty, we need to have sovereignty if we're to have laws and international laws We need to have international laws Trump is what minus 25 percent in the polls right now still won't release the Epstein files would it be okay for China to come in and say based on all of the

criminality based on your violence against Black and Brown people in this country, we are going to come and extract you and Melania and hopefully his whole family and charge you and I think they might have some international laws he can be charged with.

Milton Allimadi (14:29.649)
Thank

Adesoji Iginla (14:36.618)
Yeah. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (14:37.019)
You know, will that be acceptable to all of you in the United States of America who are saying, this is a great thing. Look at our show, of course. And when you listened to the man's press conference, he talked about the attack like it was a video game. and the power, and you never seen anything like it. The violence, the violence.

Adesoji Iginla (14:46.944)
Adesoji Iginla (14:57.982)
anything like this.

Milton Allimadi (14:58.812)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (15:02.833)
People we need to wake up to the truth of what is going on here So I don't give a damn about what their headline said or did not say because they're all in bed with this people are capitulating to these oligarchs And all of us are going to bear the brunt of our lack of courage in this time today maduro tomorrow who else?

Adesoji Iginla (15:23.848)
OK. Who else? Yes. So I want to leave our audience with this thought. He is considered a drug trafficker. Just reason with this. The man sits on 380 billion barrels of proven reserves of oil, and then he will traffic in drugs. Does that make sense to any logical person?

Milton Allimadi (15:52.353)
Nobody believes that and they're no longer even talking about it.

Adesoji Iginla (15:56.766)
I mean, that is hilarious.

Milton Allimadi (15:59.292)
But I want to add one point.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (16:02.397)
idea of there was a conversation during Trump's first presidency, fact that we've even given this man two shots at this, ugh. But anyway, during Trump's first presidency with Putin and some kind of agreement about you get Ukraine, I get Venezuela. I mean, is that all conjecture? there any truth to that? Comrade Milton, I don't know if you have any.

Milton Allimadi (16:26.567)
No, to me, I've never heard of it, but it makes sense 100 % because I think by the end of probably January, we will have a Ukraine surrender, if not February. think this was between Russia and Ukraine is going to last long. But in terms of where is opposition coming from right now, it's not there. It's not in South America, Brazil. They know what this guy is capable of doing.

Adesoji Iginla (16:48.119)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (16:57.318)
So they'll say something, but it will not amount to much. The only global opposition right now to imperialism, ironically, is coming from these three small countries, Burkina Faso, Niger, and Mali, the alliance of the Sahel states. And I think this is going to be perilous times for them as well, because they don't want that type of opposition to spread.

Adesoji Iginla (17:15.232)
Yeah, to tap into, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (17:26.617)
anywhere else around the world. And I know France is working feverishly with its U.S. allies to reverse what is happening in the United States.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (17:39.419)
So to the point that you raised about the Sahel region, and Adesuji, I know you're trying to get us to the other articles we need to cover. The language that Trump used about it is our oil. They stole from us. It's kind of couched in this idea of quote unquote the American oil companies, US corporations.

Adesoji Iginla (17:42.239)
I will go back to get it.

Milton Allimadi (18:05.498)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:07.183)
Not owned by the us government now, so we need to understand how this is working supposedly made investments in venezuela Perhaps they feel they didn't extract enough and get enough of their profits Whatever their profit margin is and to the extent that it was the the all of all of those projects were now nationalized We were stolen from so now the us government Is using taxpayers dollars?

Adesoji Iginla (18:15.581)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (18:36.175)
to go and fight for US corporations who feel that they were wronged? Where have we seen this before? When we talk about Africa and colonialism, did we not start with the trading companies? The Royal Niger Trading Company, so on and so forth. And then you had gumball to diplomacy. If you want to call it diplomatic, where leaders, African leaders were essentially forced

Milton Allimadi (18:44.922)
Adesoji Iginla (18:58.11)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (19:05.041)
to sign these treaties, signing away their rights. And it's happening again on behalf of corporations, trading entities. So the point I was trying to get to is Niger. Niger has nationalized. Yes, but remember America invested quite a bit. We've talked about that before.

Adesoji Iginla (19:05.088)
to sign treaties.

Adesoji Iginla (19:26.3)
It's uranium.

Adesoji Iginla (19:33.684)
Yeah, the drum bass in agates.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (19:33.789)
on a base, yes, that they no longer have access to. Will this be the language and the justification for going into wherever you would like and say, we have an investment and we're there to protect it? I mean, I actually heard people say,

Adesoji Iginla (19:51.808)
protect our interests.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (19:54.691)
Something along the lines of America was just defending itself. You are going into another country and being an aggressor and now You're defending yourself Let me let me stop here because we could spend the whole show on

Adesoji Iginla (20:06.314)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (20:08.504)
If you write the story, you can write anything you want, and that is what's going on right now. And the next target to follow your model that you presented is most likely going to be Cuba, because Cuba nationalized the US oil assets and other companies when Fidel Castro and his fighters took power.

in New Year's Day. So what they're going to do is they're going to go back and apply that same model to Cuba and saying, this is what you owe us. And, you know, this is the arrangement. mean, Castro is gone. So I don't think they have such a pressing... They would have started with Cuba if Castro was still there. Right. And they're going to... And this thing, of course, that you say, we've seen it, that's exactly what France did to Haiti.

Adesoji Iginla (20:51.36)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (21:05.994)
Haiti, 18 of, yeah.

Milton Allimadi (21:06.508)
that you deprived us of the enslaved labor we had, so therefore you're going to pay for it for the next, you know, I don't know how many decades. And that's what they're trying to impose on Venezuela right now.

Adesoji Iginla (21:21.019)
And the playbook constantly replaced itself. 1989, Manuel Noriega, the same thing. He was picked up, brought to the United States, and sentenced to 30 years in jail. Yes, but still, he was an head of state. But if you forgive one drug dealer who you captured,

Milton Allimadi (21:33.972)
Marie-Marie Noriega was a real drug dealer.

Milton Allimadi (21:44.444)
I had no qualms with capturing Noruba, to be honest with you, I'm sorry. Even if it defied international law. That was a true bandit. I have my limits, I have my limits as well.

Adesoji Iginla (21:46.88)
No, I mean, for me it's... God. No, but for me it's...

Adesoji Iginla (22:00.298)
For me, it's one rule for everyone. know, you can't listen. It might be a horrid guy living there, letting people deal with it. When you go in and you start extracting people, where do you stop? What's to stop China going into Taiwan?

Milton Allimadi (22:15.283)
A designer should go into Taiwan. Taiwan is a part of China.

Adesoji Iginla (22:17.728)
Oh, Here we go.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (22:20.997)
Well, a very popular, quote unquote, influencer from Uganda has posted that Trump should come in and take out Museveni. So we need to be careful what we're asking for. You know, if we want to go back to being slaves and colonized in that way, let's keep opening the door and make the next happen.

Milton Allimadi (22:29.962)
No.

I disagree with that one. And I'll debate that Uganda. No, but that's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference. China and Taiwan are the same. Taiwan is a creation of imperialism. When Chiang Kai-shek, a US agent, British agent, fled after Mao Zedong defeated him. So that was a very artificial entity.

Adesoji Iginla (22:48.23)
I know, I Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (22:59.604)
Contrary. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (23:00.18)
In the case of Uganda, no way, the people of Uganda should remove Mousavi. What the people of Uganda should be talking about is, stop financing him. Without financing from the West, he will not survive. That's what they should be demanding for. Stop giving him weapons, stop training his soldiers, don't give him access to money from the World Bank and the IMF. The people will...

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (23:19.975)
Why should they stop? It's benefiting them. And they just, you saw that they just arrested Dr. Burete, is that how you say her name? Yeah. And she's going to, and they have denied her bail until after the elections.

Adesoji Iginla (23:20.832)
Yeah, there is it. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (23:30.855)
Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the people of Uganda are second to the thing.

Adesoji Iginla (23:36.384)
Okay, let's go to

Milton Allimadi (23:39.942)
Absolutely. know, I think, and I've said this openly, the people that the hundreds of thousands that have come up to see Bobby Wine on his rallies, this time, if they steal your vote, you know where State House is. That's all I know. I'm telling you. You know where State House is. You figure out the rest.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (23:51.453)
Hundreds of thousands. Yes.

Adesoji Iginla (24:06.848)
Stories, well, so we start with Kenya, historical legacy of British rule. So Kenyan MPs accused British soldiers of decades of sexual abuse. This story comes from the BBC. And it says, their report detailed harrowing testimony for communities in Lakepia and Samburu counties near the military training bases.

The military bases were accused of evading accountability by refusing to cooperate with parliamentary investigation. But there's a part here I want us to also touch on. It's part of a report documents a horrific 1997 incident in Acha Post where 30 women were gang raped at knife points, some inside their own homes. Besides rape and assault, the inquiry also documented cases of abandoned fatherless children.

Dozens of children have been fathered by British soldiers who return home leaving behind single mothers facing stigma and financial hardship. Finally, this is it. It says the MPs also alleged that Batuqa has never carried out the legally required environmental and social impact assessment for its field exercises and raised concern over the possible use of white phosphorus, which they have described as notorious for the severity of injuries it causes. Amongst

respiratory issues, miscarriages, livestock deaths due to toxic fumes and these parts. But the parliamentary found that the existing defense cooperation agreement between Kenya and the UK was structurally flawed saying the legal document has huge gaps. It noted that the offense of murder despite its gravity is not explicitly listed as an offense deemed outside the course of official duty.

This, it argued, created significant obstacles to justice, adding the existing oversight mechanism was largely ineffective, which led to the situation with this Agnes Wajuru, who the British courts are still determining whether the perpetrator of her alleged murder should be extradited to the UK. So what are your thoughts?

Milton Allimadi (26:34.959)
Okay, so this story, and once again, I want to commend you for being on top of this story. You're one of the few journalists that I've seen consistently bring up this story. In fact, this coming week, if you comment available, I think we should discuss this on the WBI radio. The most chilling and disturbing part is the description of the 1997 assaults. It's as if they're going hunting.

Adesoji Iginla (26:35.264)
Okay. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (27:04.804)
You know, hunting for prey, that's exactly how it read like to me. It is absolutely nauseating. And then you make the point about murder not being included in that agreement, which means they knew in advance that this issue would come up. And that was their solution to make sure.

Adesoji Iginla (27:06.079)
yeah in the agreement yeah yeah i mean they said as part of normal course of duty

Milton Allimadi (27:33.611)
Absolutely, yeah. And then final observation is that, you know, this sounds very much like when the British soldiers were in Kenya fighting the Kenya Land and Freedom Army, the so-called Mao Mao, where they declared that any Kenyan within a one-mile distance of the radius where the forest, where the fighters were,

took their refuge would be live game and they could be killed. So they've declared essentially people within the zone where this training is going on, the women as live praying. So now knowing how rapacious these folks can be, there was some point raised about gender-based violence.

Adesoji Iginla (28:04.984)
to be considered.

Adesoji Iginla (28:20.29)
Hmm. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (28:33.549)
I think they should go beyond that. They should explore the possibility that they've been committing sexual assaults on male Kenyans as well. That too would not be highly unlikely given the nature of the spaciousness described in this article. So those are the points I wanted to make.

Adesoji Iginla (28:42.74)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (28:49.274)
OK, system.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (28:57.981)
Looking forward to when we can come on African news review and we have stories of African leaders actually making decisions and choices that benefit the people of the continent. So we know that these status of forces agreement kind of, not kind of, it flows out of,

Milton Allimadi (29:25.773)
you

Adesoji Iginla (29:29.248)
previous colonial.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (29:30.033)
This is the, no, the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. And we also know that although we have certain laws, that there's also the issue of asymmetry in the sense of if I don't have the power to enforce the law, what does it matter if I have the law? But the greater issue here also for me is the extent to which we are just, first of all, let me start at the beginning. Why the heck?

African nations still feel that they have to be trained by their colonizers.

Milton Allimadi (30:06.897)
Very good point.

Adesoji Iginla (30:08.864)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:09.979)
What is that about? Now I understand, we're buying their weapons and all of that, and you maybe need them to come in and train you on their weapons. But.

Milton Allimadi (30:12.519)
especially Kenya.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:27.213)
With all the intellect that we have in Africa, and I know this doesn't happen overnight, where are we doing our own research to develop what it's going to take to actually protect ourselves and to stop being so dependent on people who will never, never, ever put you in a position where you can really challenge their power?

Adesoji Iginla (30:50.899)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (30:51.227)
And then how do I invite someone into my home? Let's break it all the way down and make these agreements a little easier. Someone I invite you into my home for the purposes of helping me to fix my stove. Let me just say that. And then you present an agreement to me that says, I can blow up your entire house.

not take any due diligence, right? Not have any insurance. And while I'm at it, if I happen to see your son, your daughter, whatever, I'm gonna have my way with them if I please. And when it's all said and done, there's not a daggone thing legally you can do to me because you have signed this agreement.

Adesoji Iginla (31:44.8)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (31:46.309)
And we sign the agreement and say it makes sense. And it's not even like joint oversight over these entities when they come. They are running roughshod in your own country. And so I'm just going to even start there. Why are we still signing these kind of agreements? And then when you go into the...

Adesoji Iginla (32:03.328)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (32:14.981)
I guess denial, if you will, of Britain. We didn't know. We are willing to look into this a lot more. It's a lot of just double-speak. It's a lot of nonsense because these soldiers have been allowed to leave the country, which they shouldn't have been allowed.

your agreement basically allows them to do whatever, but the good news that is coming out of this, cause I'm always trying to find the good news is that right now the parliament in Kenya is reviewing an agreement that they're supposed to be signing with France still to do military training. And now they are arguing just how far the immunity they offer.

these soldiers is going to be. So hopefully this is a wake up call for us. There's so many levels at which this needs to be fought and certainly compensation for the children who need to be taken care of who've been left behind should be a high priority. As well as talking about the environmental impact. You know, we act like we have another world to go to. I know they're flying to Mars and going to the moon or whatever.

Adesoji Iginla (33:16.589)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (33:23.452)
impact.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (33:30.919)
But when we allow them to destroy our land completely, then where do we live? And Croteau Moutoir talks about this in his book, Enda by My Children, just the rape of the land, of mother land itself, herself.

Adesoji Iginla (33:47.04)
Hmm. Comrade, any final thoughts?

Milton Allimadi (33:49.017)
Yeah. No, I mean, obviously the Kenyan populists have no say in terms of even signing these kinds of agreements, right? It's the, once again, the African elite who govern the country betraying the people again. And to me, for example, how can these

Adesoji Iginla (33:59.136)
Okay. Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (34:14.998)
mostly illegitimate rulers even be signing agreements with the IMF and the Bank. Because that one, every African rural producer on the farm is paying that loan that does not benefit them, right? So unless we really, as I think I've said before, change the nature and structure of governance in African countries,

Adesoji Iginla (34:33.144)
Yep. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (34:44.323)
who are going to be wallowing in the same problems and issues for a very long time. If somebody in the rural area said, I can have the power to veto such an agreement, said no. Based on what they've been doing for 30 years, no. We have the power to veto this agreement. should not be rest with, I don't know whether they have 100 or 200 people sitting in a cushy air-conditioned parliament making such horrific deals on their behalf.

Adesoji Iginla (34:57.888)
No. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (35:15.783)
Comrade, I'm glad you said that because we need to talk about, and I don't know how many people from Africa are watching, but hopefully you all are subscribing and liking and sharing on your social media. But this sense of hopelessness that so many of us across the world are feeling, I don't have any power to do anything. The people who are being elected into these positions are human beings. They live somewhere.

Please nobody interpret that as me advocating any violence or anything, but I'm just saying we cannot act like these people as spirits or ghosts.

And so if they have been put into power by a certain group of people, we can also take them out of power and we can begin to exert a little bit more influence. Like there are truly consequences for your action. So there was a time in the United States, I guess in New York city, you are comrade where Trump would show up at places or JD Vans and just regular folk will boo, you know, at the restaurants and so on and so forth. We need to make people who are making decisions that hurt us feel very uncomfortable.

Adesoji Iginla (35:52.448)
Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Speaking of US, we go to our next story, which is historical in nature, but we're having to live through it now. And it comes from the independent. It's titled, A Symmetry Highlighted

Milton Allimadi (36:17.665)
I agree 100%. 100%. Yep.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (36:19.759)
wherever they are.

Milton Allimadi (36:25.889)
those are the kind of interventions that can actually have impact. I agree.

Adesoji Iginla (36:45.544)
the war sacrifices of Black Americans, Trump's anti-war policies removed them. Carried out without any public explanation, the remover has provoked anger amongst Dutch officials, the family of US soldiers and local residents. And here is 79-year-old called Lee Sin, son of a Black World War II soldier and a white mother showing the picture of his father on his mobile phone during an interview in Romand, Netherlands.

And so initial part says, visitors to a US military cemetery in the southern Netherlands has voiced strong objection after two displays honoring Black troops instrumental in liberating Europe from the Nazis were removed. The Black who did it? The Black American Monuments Commission, a US government agency, took down the panels from the visitor's center at the American cemetery in Magratin sometime in the spring.

This site, resting place for approximately 8,300 US soldiers, is nestled in rolling hills near Belgium and German borders. The decision followed a series of executive orders issued by President Donald Trump, which aimed to dismantle diversity, equity and inclusion programs in a March address he declared, our country will be woke no more. But this is the part I want you to take away.

The US ambassador to the Netherlands, Joe Popolo, seemed to support the removal of the displays. He says, and I quote, the signs at Magratin are not intended to promote an agenda that criticizes America. I wonder what he means by that. Who wants to go first?

Milton Allimadi (38:30.323)
I mean that particular court does not deserve a response, so I won't respond to that. It's a waste of time. But I think there's a potential solution, and this is my proposed solution. The U.S. Black Veterans Organizations should get together with some of the progressive members of the Dutch Parliament.

Adesoji Iginla (38:35.926)
You

Milton Allimadi (38:58.875)
And I'm sure the Dutch parliament, just reading by the tone of the article, would not oppose coming up with their own legislation and financing to build even a better monument and perhaps even a museum to this cause. And I think that will just put to shame the administration's, you know, racist reactionary agenda. I was reading

Adesoji Iginla (39:14.08)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (39:28.407)
a story recently, I forget the details now, where there's a military base that they also removed the name of a black soldier from the military base, but they did not have to change the name because there was also a white, I don't know whether it was a soldier as well or a...

Adesoji Iginla (39:56.69)
Who had the same name?

Milton Allimadi (39:57.805)
who had the same name. So they did not have to officially change the name. And then the final point I would like to make is that the irony is that a few weeks ago, we did a focus on the opposite of what is being done in Africa, where in Kenya, black soldiers who contributed to the British cause during World War II and were never recognized are being acknowledged. And of course, in France,

Adesoji Iginla (40:15.168)
Mm.

Adesoji Iginla (40:21.811)
Efforts.

Milton Allimadi (40:27.606)
where not only are they being acknowledged, but they're now seeking compensation as well. So those are my observations.

Adesoji Iginla (40:33.022)
Yeah. I mean, I'll just, before sister goes, I'd just like to also add that we should have it on record that majority of the concentration camps, the first soldiers that were, that got into said camps were actually Black American soldiers. I mean, it's the fact that you want to do this. It's, I mean, it's not, it's just, sister.

Milton Allimadi (40:55.768)
It's outrageous man, totally.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (41:05.721)
Okay, so this is in the Netherlands, which I actually have the fortune to visit as a very young girl. I guess I'm ignorant as to how a foreign entity, what the agreement is that this foreign nation has

a building access, what is this, a part of their embassy, what? That they can unilaterally make a decision about what part of the history of your land is told on your land. I need a research to get more of an understanding of that. mean, like, again, think of your house. You came into my house and then you say, I...

Milton Allimadi (41:39.819)
very good point.

You're right. That's an outstanding point. That's a good

Milton Allimadi (41:50.774)
Mm-hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (41:53.223)
I'm gonna put up so and so and I initially agree because you know I'm allowing you to put up some paint but then you can unilaterally make a decision what paintings go up and go down like I'm not understanding the legality of this and maybe I should spend more time doing research.

Adesoji Iginla (41:58.4)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (42:06.465)
Right, right. And sister, when somebody, a Dutch individual, did they put the sign back or something, they were arrested by the police. Think about that.

Adesoji Iginla (42:13.696)
I mean, it.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (42:18.489)
Yeah, so the point that Comrade Milton was making earlier, there are so many different forts where they've done this, Bragg, Fort Benning, where they would try to find a white soldier. But even with Fort Lee, it's like it was changed from Robert Lee to...

A black person and then they found another white person with the same last name. So yeah, so so so there's an agenda underfoot So first and foremost, yeah, my comment is netherlands. What are you doing? Like you guys are that and i'm gonna say it impotent like what are we talking about here that you cannot determine how the history of your Own people of your own land is told on your own land. I don't get it now

Those of you in the military might be able to better explain this to me because I do understand that when there is a military base, that basically the laws of the whoever owns that base exists, that's what rules on that base. But I'm not sure this cemetery that we're talking about, does it belong then to the US? Does it belong then to Netherlands? What is the point here?

Adesoji Iginla (43:29.056)
It probably belongs to them in sense that you have soldiers resting there. And so it's been allotted to them. We have similar type cemeteries here. There's a huge one on the way to the airport here. And there are lots of soldiers across.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (43:45.879)
Yeah, yeah, there can be an agreement on upkeep and maintenance and stuff like that, but not that you unilaterally get to make rules on my land. I'm just saying.

Milton Allimadi (43:46.078)
But but

Milton Allimadi (43:56.18)
Right. think, I think when they made those laws, they never anticipated they would ever. I mean, if human beings are rational and they're writing these agreements, none of them could anticipate that one day in the year 2025, you're going to have a European American president and an administration that is going to say, you know what, let's dishonor the black soldiers who sacrificed. Some people don't even think like that.

So what is doing, what is doing, Chisca, no, no, let me finish. What is doing right now is now raising the possibility that these countries may want to re-examine all of those agreements that they struck in the past to imagine that yes, in the future we will have people that are even crazier than Donald Trump.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (44:29.149)
What do want to do with that one?

Adesoji Iginla (44:38.088)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (44:47.673)
If they didn't imagine it, it was a failure of imagination. They didn't have to imagine it. They knew that we served in segregated units. They knew that America was racist to us. It didn't require imagination. America always saw us as less than human. So I don't think it's that far fetched to know. I mean, because even the little part of our history that is being covered was erased for so long.

Adesoji Iginla (45:16.638)
Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:16.861)
I mean, even this plaque was a recent installment. I think what, 2021, something of that nature. So I don't know that it is that they couldn't have imagined as much as it is. are probably, nobody who looks like us is in the decision-making chairs for this to happen. And that by and large, no humans...

Adesoji Iginla (45:41.778)
involved.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (45:42.659)
involved here. I don't think that we factor in. But having said that, this erasure of Black soldiers, of Black people, of Black contributions, we know is almost universal. Everywhere we go,

this whole now anti-DEI and let's break it down, your anti-diversity, the entire world, if you did not have diversity, your biology will die. Your anti-inclusion, so who do you wanna exclude, right? Your anti-equity, who is it that is supposed to not be treated with equity? And so just...

Adesoji Iginla (46:17.182)
equally yeah

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (46:23.121)
How do we fight back is, I guess, my question. And I guess we fight back by telling our own stories. We fight back by talking about the 92nd Infantry Division and telling those stories. Those of you who have more of a military background or anybody who has any bit of history, tell the stories. We fight back by talking about the 93rd Infantry Division, right? And this first all-Black division that was deployed overseas in World War II. And then because they were doing so well, we're reassigned from combat

roles to labor roles. We fight back by talking about the Black Panthers who fought in France and Belgium and Germany and some of you have parents and grandparents, grandparents, okay. We talk about the 320th Barrage Ballon Battalion which was the only Black Battalion to land on D-Day and when we talk about the Allied troops from German and their airstrikes and all of that

Adesoji Iginla (47:15.776)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:20.527)
would not have happened, would not have had the success without the sacrifices of that battalion. And let's talk about the Red Ball Express. And these were predominantly Black units that were in charge of logistics that sustained that whole Allied alliance in Normandy and took a lot of casualties. And I'm not even going to get into all the African soldiers.

Adesoji Iginla (47:50.528)
Mm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (47:50.695)
who are not acknowledged in the way that you mentioned, comrade, didn't get paid then. And then of course, all these black soldiers come back to the United States of America, denied the GI Bill, denied all kinds of benefits. So black people, how do we fight back? We learn our history, we remember our history, we tell our history, and we get these people out of office when people say elections don't matter.

Adesoji Iginla (48:09.8)
tell it.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (48:19.889)
The two parties are the same. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not caping for either party. But those blacks were actually put up under a Democratic president and taken down as anti-woke under a Republican president.

Adesoji Iginla (48:27.636)
You can tell. And I would also like to give an acknowledgement to one of the groups of Black soldiers that was based in England who happened to be involved in what is now known as the Battle of Bamber Bridge. And for those who are not aware, at some point there was a

an entire black logistical team that was based in Bamber Bridge, which is between Manchester and Liverpool. And the white soldiers were not particularly enamoured about the fact that the locals took a liking to them. And because they wanted to maintain their segregation and the Detroit race riots then exacerbated issues, there was actually a shooting upon each other.

by when the white soldiers took guns and matters into their own hands and let rip. In acknowledgement of the roles of the black soldiers within that village, three pubs took it upon themselves, pubs for those who are not aware, are public drinking houses. And they put a sign outside which says, Black Troops Only, which further incensed the white soldiers and eventually,

things were dealt with militarily within the forces. So it goes on to show that if we don't tell our stories, this sort of erasure will be allowed to happen. One final thought. George Orwell wrote in one of his essays when he was talking about the Black soldiers in the UK, he says, and I quote, the general awareness

The general consensus of opinion seems to be that the only soldiers with decent manners were, to use his language, Negroes. So make of that what you will. So I would go on to our next story, which comes from Somaliland. And it's from the BBC.

Adesoji Iginla (50:56.766)
And it says...

Adesoji Iginla (51:02.236)
Why Israel's recognition of Somaliland as an independent state is controversial. Israel has taken the controversial decision to recognize the breakaway state of Somaliland as an independent nation, sparking condemnation from many other countries. The US, however, defended Israel's decision at an emergency session of the UN Secretary of Council to discuss the issue, saying the response contrasted with the decision taken by a number of UN

member countries to recognize a Palestinian state earlier in the year, a move that the US strongly opposed. Early this year, said, several countries, including members of this council, made the illiterate decision to recognize a non-existent Palestinian state. And yet no emergency meeting was called to express this council's outrage. The UN Deputy Ambassador to the UN, Rice. Tammy Bruce said, why does he want to do this? A breakaway

semi-desert territory on the coast of the Gulf of Aden, Somaliland declared independence after the overthrow of Somali military dictator Syed Barre in 1991. And just want to show you a map here, which is important. So Somaliland is here. And guess what is on the other side? Yemen, which is constant. And this is the Red Sea leading up to the Suez Canal. And so with

Israel being here, it gets to police what sort of travels along this line. And this is Somali, and this is the part that has decided they wanted to break away. So what's your initial thought with this, quote unquote, self-determination, as it were?

Milton Allimadi (52:49.854)
Okay, so first of all, I can understand why Somaliland wants to be independent from the rest of Somalia. That is the only part of what was Somalia before they decided to, quote unquote, break away. That has been relatively peaceful for over the last 30 years, you know. And you can tell by the map, somebody watching, can see

Adesoji Iginla (52:55.636)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (53:01.342)
on the.

Milton Allimadi (53:19.195)
it's not like directly continuous that some of the problems that you see in Somalia proper right now would spill into Somaliland. So, and their economy compared to the rest of Somalia has been, you because they have peace and stability. So that is one thing they have in advantage. And they're hoping that by being recognized as independent,

Adesoji Iginla (53:28.99)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (53:45.343)
they will be able to have more direct dealings with other countries, more investments, which they believe also would benefit the economy. And of course, the argument is that these are essentially the same people, Somalis. And why are they being productive and prosperous? Because they enjoy peace. So then it would seem that the ideal solution is to also make sure that the rest of Somalia can have peace and stability.

that would be the solution, right? So that they could also thrive and then you would see more incentive for all of Somalia to be reunited. That's one part of it. The second part of course is that so long as the status quo is maintained, Somalia will never invade Somali land to say, okay, we're going to launch a war of reunification.

right? So it could be compared to like a situation they had in Nigeria with bi-apartheid, right? We're going to invade so that we can reunite, you know, because they benefit. Somalia also benefits from stability in Somaliland. The people in Somaliland actually, they send support to relatives that they also have in Somalia.

Adesoji Iginla (54:44.743)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (55:12.68)
So it's sort of been a win-win so far, but it's no longer a win-win when Somaliland wants to be officially recognized as a separate nation. And then, of course, the other point, and this is perhaps the final point I want to make, is that the entity that is recognizing you with all the problems that it has, all its history, of course, first of all, of dispossession the Palestinians of their own land.

Adesoji Iginla (55:15.776)
Okay.

Milton Allimadi (55:42.33)
And so the history is not comparable when the US diplomat at the UN makes that nonsense analogy. These are absolutely different histories and comparable. And then the final point is that if you give a base to Israel, rest assured, not only the Houthis, but other entities are going to start striking militarily Somaliland as well. So you're inviting war.

Adesoji Iginla (55:54.216)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (56:12.456)
by proxy against Israel on the African continent proper. That is the most dangerous aspect of this arrangement.

Adesoji Iginla (56:24.222)
Hmm. Is this done?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (56:31.037)
My comrade said, these are brothers and sisters, right? Before colonialism, before European imperialists came and fractured this space, you had the area that was Italian Somaliland, if you will. And then you had British Somaliland. You had the parts that were absorbed by Ethiopia. You had Djibouti.

Adesoji Iginla (56:52.922)
Pretty soon.

Milton Allimadi (57:01.027)
French.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (57:02.725)
And the French, yes. And so when they both areas get their independence, quote unquote, using that word very loosely in 1960, and then finally decide that they are going to merge, which was on one hand great news. What was set up though was the concentration of power in the South versus the North. Where have we seen this before?

my God. Over and over again in so many African nations, including Nigeria. We've talked about it in Sudan and so on and so forth.

Adesoji Iginla (57:33.09)
you.

Milton Allimadi (57:38.085)
Mm-hmm.

Adesoji Iginla (57:38.218)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (57:40.773)
And Uganda, Uganda exactly the same thing.

Adesoji Iginla (57:45.79)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (57:47.257)
And so you then see where from jumpstart now it is set up politically and economically for us to start being at loggerheads.

Again, what breaks my heart is I remember when Nigeria was just three regions, like within the country, three, okay. And then we split into 12 states, because that was supposed to make sure that every state got, every region got more resources. That wasn't good enough. Then we further splintered into 19 states. You know, still now,

Adesoji Iginla (58:15.776)
Yeah. 36. Yeah, 36. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (58:21.853)
creating additional borders. Now we're fighting for land with, you know, so on and so forth. And then it was like, no, 19 is not enough. And then I think now we're at 36. I've lost track. I think we're at 36. And so I look at the African continent and instead of us finding ways to work together,

We're finding more reasons. And I'm not saying they're not that there's not some justification, but nonetheless, our challenges are causing us to become smaller and smaller groups, which makes it easier for us to be picked off by our enemies. You know, if you got a pack of, you know, a thousand elephants, and then you have these hyenas or whatever that want to attack, they're going to look at that whole group and be like, let me get out of here.

Adesoji Iginla (58:59.184)
Picked off,

Nah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:15.303)
but you have just one and then you have, they're like, we can take this. Let's get strategic. We can take this. And so just really, the idea, so, and then on the Somaliland thing, there's a part that we haven't talked about, the agreement that they're making with Israel. Israel's reason for,

Adesoji Iginla (59:33.573)
Yeah. Possible reason.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (59:38.959)
Yes, possible. No, no, it's stated their reason for recognizing them as an independent nation. We're going to get access to this port so we can control everything going on. As you have said, we can talk about Venezuela as well in the Suez Canal. we are also we are also now going to have a place to move the pesky Palestinians to and not be bothered with them.

Adesoji Iginla (59:56.254)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:02.602)
So possibly. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:07.867)
That is part of the agreement. And then supposedly we're going to do an exchange of technology and health and so on and so forth. That's the carrots that they always toss out for us. But.

Let us not let what's happening with the Palestinians get lost in this whole sauce and that we have powers that see the rest of us as just pawns and they're just playing around with us and the extent to which I'm saying well but I get this so it's okay if in my getting this I allow the disenfranchisement of another group sir ma'am

Milton Allimadi (01:00:24.831)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:29.952)
Mmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:00:44.411)
All that does is weaken you for the time that they decide that you are now expendable.

Adesoji Iginla (01:00:50.112)
I don't know. Listen, I read it with my mouth wide open. It was like, you're just simply opening yourself up for...

Milton Allimadi (01:00:50.771)
They are inviting serious trouble in their house.

Milton Allimadi (01:01:05.989)
functioning, they're functioning as an independent state anyway. They should just be satisfied with that for now.

Adesoji Iginla (01:01:10.354)
Yeah, yeah. Okay, final story from Tanzania and it's from the German news organization Deutsche Welle and it reads, Tanzania new reserves boost tourism, displace locals. Where have we seen this before? A story over land use is unfolding in East African country of Tanzania. Evictions from ancestral land to accommodate tourism projects have already driven

some Maasai to the brink. There is a path here. Okay, so it says the Mountain of God, or Odoyo's, legult legal to the Maasai is an active volcano, sharply a few kilometers from the town of Egaro Cerro in northern Tanzania, at its base lies Lake Natron, a shimmering salt lake. It's considered important breeding site for 75 % of the global population of lesser flamingos, but it's also an important site for Maasai people.

consider part of it their ancestral land. of some fear, another mass eviction is coming. I was forced to flee in my home. They turned the area where I live into Pololeti Hunting Reserve," said 36-year-old Nessica Daudi, now living in Negaro Cerro. In 2022, the Tanzanian established the Pololeti Ghetto Game Reserve and designated it exclusively for hunting and tourism.

Thousands of people like Negiska are directly affected or even forcibly evicted.

Yes, colonias, settler colonialism again.

Milton Allimadi (01:02:50.521)
Right. I mean, with this story, I just want to make one comment. I mean, it's the most repulsive part of it is that an African government's doing exactly what the conquering European colonial powers did to Africans at the time of colonization. And now you have a so-called African government, the highly discredited Sulu Hu, who...

Adesoji Iginla (01:02:53.673)
Yeah.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:07.302)
Mm.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:17.691)
whose government reportedly killed 700 people during the election in October to extend her rule in Tanzania. Now, I mean, this is comparable to when the British came to Kenya and they seized 2 million acres from the Kikuyu and Parzo Dua and gave that land to 1,000 British families, literally for pennies.

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:32.916)
Hmm.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:46.874)
with 99, was it 99 year or 999 year lease or something?

Adesoji Iginla (01:03:50.56)
999 year leases.

Milton Allimadi (01:03:53.37)
some nonsense like that. So now you have an African government driving Africans off the land so they can invite more hunting and more tourism. mean, but is it surprising? Of course not. You have new colonial governments. This is a new colonial policy. So those are my comments.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:20.573)
sounding like a broken record here. My heart breaks. My heart breaks for my continent. On what green earth, in what logic does it make sense to take people off their land, take them away from their only form of livelihood? You are not providing a different form of livelihood.

Milton Allimadi (01:04:43.108)
Hmm.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:50.673)
So you're throwing masses of your people into poverty.

Adesoji Iginla (01:04:51.232)
Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:04:54.914)
And, duh.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:04:57.219)
just so that you can tickle the fancy aboard largely European people who want to, again, this fascination with violence, who for the sport of it, we did not hunt for the sport of it.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:22.486)
We defended ourselves.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:23.195)
will come and kill off actually the strongest of your animals because they want the biggest tusks, the biggest, you know, mains and so on and so forth. And the money you're supposedly making from this tourism, less than 2 % of it actually goes back to the people in terms of health care.

Milton Allimadi (01:05:36.739)
know.

Adesoji Iginla (01:05:51.072)
.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:05:52.889)
or education or any kind of infrastructure that benefits their lives. And in the case of Tanzania, over 40 % of your land, unquote, for the purpose of other people coming to hunt. Where is the area? my goodness. Like make that make sense.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:06.571)
insane. It's what they call insane.

really insane.

Milton Allimadi (01:06:22.925)
nice and sing.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:23.04)
Okay.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:06:23.545)
Again, my people, think of your house. Let's say, let me make the math easy. You have five bedrooms in your house, and then you just curtain off two bedrooms for the purpose of people who can come and do whatever with it while the rest of you are.

And even more so, the two bedrooms include, so the two rooms include your kitchen and your bathroom. So that the remaining people don't even have a place to, yes, yes. And so, wow.

Adesoji Iginla (01:06:56.608)
back of the the back of the house.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:00.994)
That's crazy.

glad that the article mentioned that one of the hunters was Donald Trump Jr.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:09.802)
Yeah. That was a

Milton Allimadi (01:07:11.36)
on a recent hunting trip.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:07:13.057)
We recently visited the area that they're concerned that after you've moved us off from this other area and we're now concentrated in this area, which by the way, when you take a larger group of people and put them in a smaller area of concentration, what are you going to get? More competition, more impact negatively on the ecology, right? More conflict.

Adesoji Iginla (01:07:30.848)
Agitation. Yeah.

Milton Allimadi (01:07:33.964)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:07:38.545)
because scarce resources, more people. And then now you're even contemplating because some white man has said, no, we really like this place. Kind of like with Gaza, we really like this place. We should have it. Venezuela, we really want this oil. We should have it. People, are we paying attention? And what are we doing?

Milton Allimadi (01:08:00.608)
Now Tanzania should be condemned for this. This is a genocidal policy. They even canceled the flying medical clinic. How are you going to be depriving people of medical care? It means you want them to die. What else?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:08.742)
Yes.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:16.359)
to make it so untenable for them to live there that they voluntarily leave. We saw that here in Texas, let me bring this back to the United States here in Texas and Austin, it happened in many other places. When they decided they wanted to segregate the area and there were places where black folk refused to sell their land, all they did was, well, no, let me take it back. They decided they wanted the property, but the black people were not willing to sell.

Adesoji Iginla (01:08:21.883)
Levia.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:22.864)
unacceptable.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:08:44.913)
What they did was create these segregation laws where it's like, you can't go to the library here. You can't shop here. You can't go to the hospital here. Right. And so when you can't access any of the services you need, where you have property and it becomes.

Milton Allimadi (01:08:52.905)
Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:01.735)
prohibitive for you to make the long trek to the places where you have been allowed to access it. Guess what you do? You eventually sell and you sell at whatever price they're willing to pay. And that's how they moved masses of black people off their land and their property in Austin, Texas to another area of Texas, which then in the sixties, the federal government came through with the highways and displaced them even from that.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:08.906)
You sell. Sell at RUIA.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:31.009)
And we just see the same tactics played out in marginalized communities all across the world. And this is what's happening in Tanzania. Again, education is key for us to even understand what's happening, connect the dots, and then speak up and speak up for those who maybe at different points are not capable of speaking for themselves.

Adesoji Iginla (01:09:38.176)
Wow, dip. Yeah.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:09:53.925)
So nothing stops us as those of us who may be watching this wherever in the diaspora to write to the Tanzanian government as well and say, this is deplorable. And we are going to withdraw our tourism dollars since this is what you want to cater to. Every little bit makes a difference, I think, rather than just pulling up our hands and saying, we have no power.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:04.512)
Okay. Okay.

Milton Allimadi (01:10:18.301)
think next show, when we do the next show, we should come back with the email address of the Minister of Tourism, the Presidency, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and we'll provide those email addresses and people should send their messages.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:10:33.469)
One of the things I love about you is you give us, it's like take action. You always give us I appreciate that.

Adesoji Iginla (01:10:37.44)
Homework. Homework, homework, homework. Speaking of homework, thank you very much for coming through today. You've done justice to all the articles and the issue with Venezuela, which happens to be a developing story. And

Milton Allimadi (01:10:38.823)
no, we have to. We have that one life, let's maximize the use of it, you know?

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:04.212)
Hopefully, we get to speak more. This is the first episode of this year. If this is your first time here, do like, share, subscribe, do all the good stuff. And sister, brother, indebted to you. Thank you for coming through. Yeah, yes, yes, Topics.

Milton Allimadi (01:11:21.883)
Asante Sana, and if people want to propose topics as well, I'm sure this or you would welcome that as well.

Adesoji Iginla (01:11:31.688)
And also be mindful that the sister and I also do Women and Resistance. And this week on Wednesday at 7 PM Eastern Standard Time, we'll be doing Alice Donegan. And at the end of the month, we'll be reading Pre-Colonial Black Africa by Cheke Atediop as part of, yeah,

Milton Allimadi (01:11:51.506)
Yeah, very good one, very good one.

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:11:54.981)
And we have an incredible guest joining us for that review of that book, Yoprika Somme, who is teaching in Kenya, I believe, but might originally be from.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:10.324)
Senegal. Was it from Senegal?

Aya Fubara Eneli, Esq. (01:12:12.347)
I'm not sure if he's from Senegal or Burkina Faso. I'm going to have to confirm. But and also a master teacher of Medoneta. So definitely join in.

Adesoji Iginla (01:12:17.703)
OK. So thank you. Thank you all. Thank you all. And until next week, it's a good night and God bless.

Milton Allimadi (01:12:31.026)
My head. See you.